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Who Builds PC's?

Discussion in 'Reality Check' started by Scott, Oct 10, 2004.

  1. Scott

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    Im thinking about geting a new PC. And dont have alot of money to spend. I dont need anything fancey. I dont play games. All i do is surf, and dl vids, usually short racing ones or whatever. Also id like to be able to DL a few songs and be able to play them without it skipping when i scrolled down.

    My Current PC is an AMD k6, 160 mb of ram, 2G hd. Its a wonder it runs. Usually it takes me about three reboots to get a good clean one where everything loads right. POS is what i call it.

    So anyone can here build a decent PC for a decent price? Boots maybe?
     
  2. Jake

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    Whats your price range?
     
  3. Scott

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    No idea..id like it to be as cheap as possible. im on a fixed income so money is tight. I really have no idea what it would cost to build one. 4-600 maybe?
     
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    I always prefer the $1000 range - AMD Athlon A64, or the Pemtium 4 Prescott (800MHZ FSB, hyperthreading, with 1MB cache).

    For a better idea, both have a 120GB SATA hard drive, 52x CD-RW, 2.1 speakers (2 w/ sub), case, keyboard and optical mouse.
    The AMD has 1GB of DDR333 RAM, and an NVidia FX5600XT 128MB video card. The P4 has 1GB of DDR400 RAM, and a Radeon 9550 256MB video card.
     
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    why the hell would he need 1 gig of ram and a radeon 9550 or FX5600XT when all hes doing is playing music and watching the odd movie?
     
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    I like mysterybyte the guys there are real good to deal with. Here's a quote I generated fromthere. You can probably get something similiar from Robotnik, but I find there not as good to deal with. I think they might charge you 25$to put it together or something like that.

    MysteryByte Computers
    Shopping List Quote
    Sunday Oct 10, 2004

    Quantity Part # Product Description Unit Price Ext. Price


    1 10132 AMD Sempron 2400+, 333FSB, S462, 1.67Ghz, 256K, Retail $97.00 $97.00
    1 8798 OEM 256MB 400MHZ PC3200 DDR CAS-3, (Ltd. Lifetime) $57.00 $57.00
    1 7688 WD Caviar 800JB (80GB) 7200RPM ATA-100 8MB, 3YR $92.00 $92.00
    1 8305 LG 52x32x52 (8525BB) Beige, CD-RW, 2MB, Burnproof, w/ Nero S/W, OEM $35.00 $35.00
    1 7619 Enermax EG365P-VE-FM 350w ATX w/ 2 Fans & Fan Monitoring $64.00 $64.00
    1 7950 Nikao (Beige) MT-3000 Mid-Tower Case, no P/S w/ Front USB $29.00 $29.00
    1 8937 MSI KM4M-L/V (VIA KM400,333FSB, 3PCI, 2DDR, S3 VGA, AGP8x, 6CH, NIC) 3YR MFG $82.00 $82.00



    All Prices are listed in Canadian Dollars.
    Applicable shipping charges are not included.
    Taxes have been calculated for: Nova Scotia SubTotal 456.00
    HST 68.40
    Total $524.40

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    I went with a good quality powersupply and a cheap ass case because a powersupply is one of the most overlocked components in a computer and perhaps the most important. If you wanted to save a little bit more money you could drop to a kingwin for $45 but I wouldnt go with anything less expensive. They tend to be shit. Also this price assumes you have a monitor, keyboard an mouse. If you dont have a mouse and keyboard to transfer over you can get a nice microsoft oem keyboard and mouse combo from robotnik for about 37$ + tax. The call it the MS Multimedia Duo. Best bang for the buck. ALso note this one doesnt have a floppy drive either. Salvage that from yur current rig.

    If you have more to spend. IE up to $600 you could go this way

    MysteryByte Computers
    Shopping List Quote
    Sunday Oct 10, 2004

    Quantity Part # Product Description Unit Price Ext. Price


    1 8798 OEM 256MB 400MHZ PC3200 DDR CAS-3, (Ltd. Lifetime) $57.00 $57.00
    1 8305 LG 52x32x52 (8525BB) Beige, CD-RW, 2MB, Burnproof, w/ Nero S/W, OEM $35.00 $35.00
    1 7950 Nikao (Beige) MT-3000 Mid-Tower Case, no P/S w/ Front USB $29.00 $29.00
    1 10132 AMD Sempron 2400+, 333FSB, S462, 1.67Ghz, 256K, Retail $97.00 $97.00
    1 8361 Kingwin ATX 350 Watts DUAL Fans Power Supply, P4 & XP Support $49.00 $49.00
    1 10145 Seagate 80GB 7200.7 Barracuda S-ATA, 7200RPM, 8MB, 5 YR MFG $98.00 $98.00
    1 9420 Asus A7V600-X (KT600+400FSB+AGP8X +SATA+USB2.0+6-CH Audio+10/100 LAN) 3YR MFG $89.00 $89.00
    1 8647 ATI "Sapphire" Radeon 9200SE ,128MB DDR, 64Bit, TV-Out, LITE RB,2YR MFG $65.00 $65.00



    All Prices are listed in Canadian Dollars.
    Applicable shipping charges are not included.
    Taxes have been calculated for: Nova Scotia SubTotal 519.00
    HST 77.85
    Total $596.85

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    This would give you a vid card with tv out, a sata drive (a little faster then ata), and a nicer motherboard that would support an upgrade to 400mhz AthlonXP in the future. Again you would already have the keyboard, mouse and monitor and of course they would charge you about 25$ to build it. If you know someone who can build a computer that might do it for a case of beer that would be sweet. Oh yeah neither include an operating system.

    If you have any questions post them here. Im sure others will have comments.

    G.i.P
     
  8. Scott

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    Awesome! Thanks!
     
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    if you're not looking to do a lot of gaming, or any heavy duty digital editing

    www.greenlyph.com

    Greenlyph Entry AMD32 System $488.68

    This system includes the following:

    * Beige Greenlyph Standard Mid Tower ATX Case 420W
    * Sony 52x32x52x CD-R/RW Beige
    * Sony Floppy Drive - White
    * Western Digital 80GB 2MB Cache 7200RPM WD800BB
    * Infineon 256MB PC2700 333MHz DDR Memory
    * ASUS A7V8X-X Socket A w/ LAN Sound S/PIDF
    * AMD Athlon XP 2200+ Retail
    * ATI RADEON 32MB SDR PCI VGA TVOUT NTSC
    * Microsoft Multimedia Keyboard / Optical Mouse Combo


    Greenlyph Mid AMD32 System $758.94

    This system includes the following:

    * AXIO Scorpio Mid Tower 480w PSU Black
    * Sony CRX320E-BK 52x32x52x16xDVD Combo Drive Black
    * Sony MPF920 Floppy Drive - Black
    * Western Digital 120GB 8MB Cache 7200RPM WD1200JB
    * Microsoft Multimedia Keyboard / Optical Mouse Combo
    * Infineon 512MB PC3200 400MHz DDR CAS 2.5
    * ASUS A7V600 400FSB SATA Gbit LAN 6.1 Audio 8xUSB
    * AMD Athlon XP 2600+ Barton Core 333MHz 512KB L2 - Retail
    * Sapphire Radeon 9600SE AGP8X 128MB DDR Dual Head OEM
     
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    I said I prefer. If I said "This is what you must get" then yeah, start ripping up my choice. Now STFU and sit down.

    To compare with Mysterybyte somewhat...

    AMD 2400+ Sempron
    MSI 7061-020 KM4M-V All in one Motherboard
    256MB DDR333 RAM
    40GB 7200 RPM Hard drive
    52x32x52x CD-RW
    On board video
    On board sound
    On board 10/100 LAN
    Mid tower case
    Keyboard
    Optical mouse

    My Cost - $435 Wholesale, Assembled

    What does this tell you - when it comes to computer prices these days, why bother trying to get wholesale pricing when places like Mysterybyte and Greenlyph do it for like 5% markup.
     
  11. Scott

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    Cool. Well i've got a good idea of what it'll cost then! thanks guys!
     
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    Dell has desktops starting at $489.

    www.dell.ca

    Yay Dell! ;)
     
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    thats exactly it. its what YOU prefer and not what HE needs. but this is the internet and i'm not gonna sit here and fight with you over it. if you can help him out, great.
     
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    any perticular reson u choose the sempron???
     
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    See, this is what i dont get. i really know nothing about pc's, so if someone told me it was good, no idea if its true or not. I look at two different machines and they both look good. I dont need an 120gb HD. a 20 or 40 would do fine.

    I have no clue what a sempron is! lol

    It might b easier for me to call up one of these local shops, tell them what i need it for, my budget and let them build it.
     
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    :rofl: good ole dell eh?
     
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    The sempron is the replacement for the durons. Having said that its still a fairly good proc. It has 256k of cache cpmpared to 512 of cache on the barton and that she only major difference. If he's serious about not really wanting to game and doing what he says he wants to do in the original post it shuld be lots of proc. The front side bus is why I chose this proc for my recommendations. As procs get more and more powerful it is becoming more important to feed info to them. This is what a fast FSB allows you to do. IF he had the $ extra I would suggest the fastest athlonXP he could afford on the 333fsb. In the end, as long as yur comparing AMD to AMD and Intell to Intel always go with the fastest FSB you can get ie 266,333 or 400 and screw the actual clock speed. The increase in FSB will make a world of difference especially in multimedia appys.


    Anyway hope thats clear as mud.
     
  18. Scott

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    ummm..yeah :D

    And yeah, i dont game at all. I couldnt if i wanted to..lol i can only use one hand! :lol:

    Just want to surf, watch some vids, short clips, and play some tunes. And do this without it skipping, freezing and blue screen of deathing me!

    :D
     
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    Thats a good idea as long as your careful who you deal with. I'd trust MystaryByte and maybe greenlyph not to steer me wrong n this situation, and maybe even robotnik, but most other places will try to take you.


    If you do do this remember what I said about the power supply earlier. Do not get a generic powersupply and trust me they will try to sell you one with a generic powersupply and a bling bling case. Give up the bling and spend your money on the components. I have used and know that Antec and Enermax are good. I have also heard goodthings bout PC Power and Cooling power supply .

    If you want call up 2 or 3 shops tell them what you got to spend and post the quotes here, before you buy. Most shops will be happy to quote you. Its hard buying a pc when you dont know and Ive seen a lot of people get taken. All my friends run there puter purchases through me and although its a Pain in the Ass sometimes at least I know they're not getting taken.

    G.i.P
     
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    Cool, i'l call around tomorrow maybe. I'll mention a good power supply! thanks
     
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    Just happened to be a complete computer that I recently quoted for someone. They were looking for a Sempron (and to be totally honest, I myself do not like AMD, and didn't have a clue what the differences between Sempron and Duron were).

    I'm an Intel slave. lol. I've always liked their Pentium line.
     
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    Well priced one up. This is prob what i'll end up getting.

    AMD SEMPRON 2400+ CPU
    512MB DDR PC3200 RAM
    64MB INTEGRATED VIDEO (upgradeable)
    FLOPPY DRIVE
    52X CD BURNER
    80GB 7200RPM HARD DRIVE
    10/100 LAN CONTROLLER
    ON BOARD AUDIO

    $515 taxes in. Not too bad. its a good power suply, i made sure of it..lol

    Not too bad i dont think..and should blow this current pc out of the water!
     
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    Yeah, thats nice too!

    I think the standard video is all i need for what i do.

    Why is that ram better?
     
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    The ram is very good quality and also has a lifetime garauntee. On board video is the shits,also it takes away from system memory.It uses your ram rather than using it's own ram as a add on card would.
     
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    I get ya. Well i can always upgrade the video could i not if i find its the shit/
     
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    Yup. if i didnt have the money for a vid card right away onboard would be fine. Just really dont expect to game...even some visulizations in meda player 10 might give the onboard graphics a run for their money.


    What kind of mobo is it, brand and model. It important especially for yur sound quality and also for upgrades later.
    Good job on the power supply did they give you a name.

    As far as generic ram it's fine unless you get into overclocking. Most ram runs and runs as long a it runs correctly from the start. If you start getting strange errors and reboots thats the first culprit I'd go for.

    Ask for detailed specs from them and post them. The ones they gave you are for the unknowledgable. THe specs are fine for what you've said you wanted to do.

    BTW all this is IMHO others might and probably will disagree

    G.i.P
     
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    yeah, thats jut it. I've prob talked to 5 or so guys that are in the "business" and all pretty much tell you something different. That i'll need something different. that this will suck, or that will.
    I'll try and get some specs up.
     
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    Its because they are all thinking about what is the latest and greatest and what they want in their systems. They dont listen to what the cusotmer is saying. I've built a lot of systems for people and I try to keep in mind budget. I tell everybody to come to me wih a figure and tell me what ya want to do and we'll go from there. Not everybody can afford 1000 - 2000$ for a rig.

    I was going to put a long explaination of how I decide on components when a friend asks but it might not make much sense. Basically you compromise on somethings in order to get others. Most imortant components in a systme are motherboard, processor, powersupply.
    Anyway for the money yur spending yur gonna buy wth the idea that ypu want to be able to upgrade later. Sound cards, tvtuners, vid cards, mice keyboard, monitor can all be defered til future money permits the purchase of these components.

    So far yur looking pretty good the specs are right. Its in yur price range and depending on what mobo they're offering I'd say you'll be fine.

    G.i.P
     
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    Unless you need the spdif on the first one, ie digital out. defintly go with the second one. the 400 fsb on the second one will allow you to drop a 3200 xp + processor in it l8r on down the road if you can get a hold of one) The 3200 is the last and fastest chip AMD will make in the socket a form factor. Socket A is what the sempron uses to connect to the motherboard.

    It also has sATA which is the interface of choice for all new hard drives, although regular ide ata drives will be available for a while.

    Gigabyte and Abit both are known for making good boards. Abit might have a little bit better reputation but both are strong contenders in the marketplace.

    G.i.P

    BTW I bet yur learning lots in this process.
     
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    Oh yeah! learning a ton! And some of it actually makes sense!

    the first is what he originally said, but then suggested the 2nd just for the same reason you did, future upgrades. I'll prob go with that one.

    thanks!
     

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