What do you guys think about the SNC Lavalin stuff?

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  1. briangtiguy

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    What approvals are you suggesting he get? Who is currently stopping it?

    If you're not waving a save the oil flag, what exactly are you doing?
     
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    I feel RC is somewhere reasonable to talk politics, rather than some American based forums where it just becomes yelling and shit flinging :lol:
     
  3. Grifter

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    For the most part yes. It's fine when people disagree. But it does get frustrating sometimes! I'm a bad person cause I don't like Trudeau.
     
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  4. Grifter

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    Pointing out how he plays favourites and doesn't give two fucks about Alberta.
     
  5. briangtiguy

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    But who is actually holding up the pipeline from being constructed/completed?
     
  6. Grifter

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    Environment folks, other politicians, whatever. That doesn't matter. What matters is he's not doing anything to get it built.
     
  7. briangtiguy

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    So it doesn't matter at all why it's trying to be stopped, it should just be pushed through?
     
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    you cant say hes terrible for bending rules for SNC lavalin and then blame him for not bending rules for a pipeline though
     
  9. Grifter

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    I don't think he should bend rules for the pipelines. But I do expect him to make an effort to try to get it done. He has made very little effort. Shown no care for the layoffs. But he may have broken the law for Lavelin. Just seems to be one sided.
     
  10. briangtiguy

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    Most of the opposition to the pipelines are over environmental impacts, and where the pipelines are going to be run arent they? What should be done ? Just tell those opposed to it that things will be fine and then expropriate the land to make it happen?
     
  11. Scott

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    Because Scheer thinks he can boost himself over it.
     
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    For the record, I am an actual albertan. I was born there, grew up there, my family worked there. We moved east in my later childhood and I chose to make a life doing something in a profession I knew would set me for life.

    I am generally a liberal, I am partially a socialist, I do well and I give back, I don't complain that I pay too much tax, and I am for paying more if it's going towards things that help others in our country.

    I am not shitting on people in the oil business, I shit on the actual oil business. It's going to be around quite awhile yet but that's not the future and I like to live for the future. I don't want a government that chooses to keep living in the now, I want change, I want a future. I want green energy, I want to see the middle class again, I want so see poor people have easier opportunities to get out from hardship.

    I do care about people struggling out west because the industry is dying and I would like to see a government help the west help build a thriving economy built on the future.

    I am sorry, not sorry if that gets me called a tree hugger, or anything else..but I refuse and will continue to refuse voting or caring for a political party that thinks oil, gas, fracking, Forest, and ocean exploitation is the right approach. If a conservative party come in and said, time to stop wasting money, but time to start investing it in the future...they got my interest. I don't vote party, I vote ideology. I sure as fuck don't like everything about the liberal party. Trudeau is not a perfect leader, but right now it's the option I have to ensure some Trump-lite doesn't get in and fuck things up so bad it'll take decades to reverse.

    So with that back to this latest scandal, it's overblown, it's a way to attack the liberals and stir the pot of angry conservatives.

    All l have to say in this thread because like you, my opinion is just that...an opinion.
     
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  13. Grifter

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    Well said. That's why I posted. Thank you! Healthy debate.
     
  14. HairyAss

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    You’re the only one in this thread who has said you’re a bad person for liking Trudeau as far as I can tell.

    Regardless of that, it’s dangerous to vote for Scheer just because of oil. That guy has mini-Trump written all over him. Trudeau got in the last election mostly because of no good opposition. That competition still doesn’t exist IMO and it’s dangerous to vote for someone like Scheer just because of one issue. Look what happened with Trump and look at Ontario.

    For the record, even though I live in Seattle now, I feel I still have a stake in this. I will be voting in the next election (thanks to Trudeau’s government after Harper took that right away). I’m on a temporary work visa. I still call Canada home.

    Also, you made a post earlier about those of us in IT not really knowing what all of this means. I partly left NS because I was tired of scraping by as well. I’ve also lived through the ups and down of an industry that also goes through bust and boom cycles. I remember all my friends getting laid off after the last big IT bubble and worry that we’re in another one right now.

    Alberta can’t point at Trudeau as the cause of their problems but it’s such a wildly conservative place, they will always hate the liberals in power and (it seems to me) ignore the radicalism of the running Conservative (not always but in scheer’s case - yes).
     
  15. Duggan

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    They pipeline owned/purchased is an expansion, they are laying a second line next to the existing one that has been in existence for over 50 years. The BC government was Liberal but the Green party backed the NDP with the caveat that they didn't want the pipeline expansion. The 3 extra seats swung the power to the NDP. Horgan will lose his power if he supports the pipeline. They claim it is about ship traffic, yet the are fine shipping loads of coal via ship to Asia.

    The Energy East pipeline is one that needs to be reconsidered, it would be new, and would allow Canada to be energy independent. Oil and gas is an industry that the world is way to reliant on for it to disappear in our life time. Not just for energy, but for consumer products.

    It is less bending the rules as opposed to changing them when it comes to progression in Canada these pipelines were approved when they were privately owned, the there were calls for more NEB studies, and the TransMountain, yet again ruled it is a viable project and should proceed.

    Canada imports oil and exempts those countries from the Carbon tax .There is now gender impact studies for projects in Canada, I am sure this are top notch in Saudi Arabia...Guess who else has massive Oil and Gas contracts in Saudi Arabia, and has almost 40% of their bottom line coming from O&G, SNC Lavalin. Maybe a bit tin foil hat, but something to consider.

    This was a pretty interesting article in the post today about how lobbyists tactfully crippled the Canadian O&G sector.

    https://business.financialpost.com/...-oil-activists-infiltrated-canadas-government

    I think the biggest thing that came out of the SNC Lavalin ordeal was that our Feminist PM is more of a fraud on that front than anything else. I don't know the PCs are strong enough to take over, but surely hope it is not another majority.
     
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    Canadian oil needs to get to Asian markets. Energy east would make us energy independent but doesn’t give us access to Asia.
     
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    This is true, as long the tanker moratorium doesn't come into effect.

    Assuming JT doesn't completely destroy our trade partnerships with Asia.

    The country took another massive blow with ban on Canola, which is complete retaliation from the Huawei fiasco.
     

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