The players tribune - Ben Meisner

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  1. Matt30

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    I thought maybe this should go in the sports section, but it would get more exposure here.

    https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/hockey-ben-meisner-im-not-connor-mcdavid

    A pretty powerful read by one of Halifax’s hockey pros. If you think pro sports are all sunshine and rainbows, have a read.

    I know there’s a few people here who know Ben. I was very surprised when I read the article but I’m very glad to hear he’s in a better place
     
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    One of the things that bugs me when you look at Facebook and you see all these 'hockey dads' trying to make their child into an NHL star. You're setting your kid up for a major failure. The odds of getting into the NHL are slim to none for the most part unless you have some serious natural hockey talent that sets you apart from the rest. I know this guys issue was mental health related but I imagine it would feel similar if you had the pressure of trying to make the NHL to make your dad happy.
     
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    I haven’t read the article but I would be careful comparing mental health issues with some pressure from dad to make the NHL. Not even close, IMO.

    I’m not saying I agree with the pressure - I just wouldn’t say the two are equal.
     
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    Yeah, not saying they are the same. In the article he expresses that he put himself under immense pressure due to his mental illness. I can imagine a lot of kids these days feel intense pressure from their hockey crazed dads too.
     
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    Its every sport really. See it in Baseball and Basketball as well.

    imo, let them play what they enjoy.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    It is definitely more pronounced with hockey in NS. Actually, though, the more I think about it, I saw it a lot more in NS than I have in Seattle. Weird - I actually would have thought my kids would have a bunch of friends obsessed with playing football or something - can’t think of any parents I’ve met pushing their kids hard in any one sport. I knew a bunch in Halifax.
     
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    One of my biggest reliefs of having a girl was that I could avoid the whole hockey scene :o
     
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    except lots of girls play hockey :lol:
     
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    Jeez, Boots, I know there aren’t any female NHL players, but Scott is right - can be just as intense.
     
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    That's a whole different scene than boys haha
     
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    Maybe, maybe not. :shrug2:
     
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    Don't know too many moms living out an NHL fantasy through their daughters :rofl:
     
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    no, but plenty of fathers pushing for that next Olympic medalist. Like I said, happens in pretty much every sport.
     
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    I can attest that the pressure is there for young girls, not always from family either, from coaches. My sister came 6th in nationals at 12 and then there was talk of going to the US for coaching, 6 days a week is too much for a kid that age
     
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    I should clarify that this was for gymnastics and not hockey. She would fucking suck at hockey.
     
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    :lol:
     
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    I wouldn't suggest for a second that some girls don't feel the same pressure as boys in the hockey scene. They don't have the NHL but they have a highest level they/their parents push them to reach. Playing for gold in olympic women's hockey is easily the NHL level for those girls.

    If I have/had a girl I would steer her into hockey/sports for sure, but I wouldn't give her the pressure to make a career from it. Sports provides so many more things that help define a person's character that are missing from millenials glued to the TV/devices.
     
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    I just see it all over my facebook account. Parents who have their kids in hockey camps year round, everything is hockey, hockey, hockey. You hardly see any posts with the kids that don't involve hockey. I've seen it from several dads with boys but haven't seen it from any parents with girls. I'm sure the same situation happens with girls too but I'd be willing to be it's not as common as with boys.
     
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    BootsBoots - Your original statement was that you were glad you had a girl so you didn't have to live through the hockey crazy-ness. It's a pretty narrow view of the world regardless of what you see on Facebook.
     
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    I also grew up in a hockey household and spent a dozen or so years playing organized hockey. I felt the same pressure from my dad and saw many of my friends experience the same thing. I stand by my original statement. Having a daughter gave me an 80% chance of not having to deal with any hockey stuff :rofl:
     
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    Some of those kids really enjoy it though. I know one family who's father thinks like you. Hated the idea of his son in hockey. Guess who loves hockey?? His son! So he does camps, etc.

    Just because they're all about it doesnt mean they're being pushed into it. I played hockey growing up, did summer camps/leagues/etc. Never once pressured by my folks.
     
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    Good lord. Do I really need to say that it's not always the case with everyone? :rofl:
     
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    I had a hard time as a kid, bullied, not in any "popular" groups. Joining and playing high level hockey, as well as other school sports teams I found most of the bullying stopped, I learned team work, work ethic, rules, consequences for not doing things right...all key traits I expanded on later in life.

    I get your point Steve, no worries.
     
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    of course not. but thats not the vibe you give on your posts. Boys play sports because their parents push them. Girls don't play sports. :lol:
     
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    You're sounding like someone from the twitter generation :rolleyes:

    'Hockey dads' putting too much pressure on their kids to make the nhl isn't me saying boys play sports because their parents push them

    Having a daughter and being able to avoid hockey isn't me saying girls don't play sports.

    Go back to retweeting and leave me alone :p :rofl:
     
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    Good discussion guys but I'd like to point out that this has nothing to do with the article :lol: it is in fact the complete opposite.
     
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    Just wondering but is your daughter in Dance or gymnastics?
     
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    competitive or just fun? competitive is crazy they want them there like 6 days a week.
     
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    yeah screw that.. just for fun
     
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    ya for sure my daughter just went in competitive dance haha. What i was getting at was while you might not be the type of parent to push them, they will get the pressure from somewhere else, just because its not hockey doesn't mean the same pressure isn't there boy or girl.
     
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    Yup. As long as the parent isn't part of the problem, there's nothing wrong with competitiveness. It's actually good for them to learn that you gotta work harder than the rest to get what you want. Nothing handed to you in this life.
     
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