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  1. RoryTate

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    I had someting happen when entering back into Canada the other weekend. The border agent specifically asked if we had 'self defence' weapons, and my wife piped up that I had a pocket knife. Fuck.

    It turns out that any knife you can open with one hand (ex: thumb stud) is now illegal to cross the border with.

    The agent even explained that yes, I can buy the knife at Canadian Tire/Walmart/etc in Canada, but the moment I cross the border with it (ex: to the US and then back into Canada again), there is now an issue. He was cool about it, explained what is what now, and told me to leave the knife home next time.

    I'll have to take my old school pocket knives next time (the ones you need to use two hands to open).
     
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    Or better yet, a nice and legal fixed blade. Does anyone have any suggestions for an under 2.5inch (or so) blade?
     
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    Or better yet, just leave the wife at home next time.

    The knives you can buy in stores with thumb studs are just left over inventory. Even auto assist are still legal to sell, own and use you just can't bring them into the country. I've been buying a few lately before they become too sparce and expensive.
     
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    Bullshit. I understand wanting to control weapons but when you're grouping tools into the same category as weapons, the system is broken.
     
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    The system is broken. I still want to be able to cross the border without getting the rubber glove treatment though.
     
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    Yeah good rule of thumb crossing between countries is just leave the knives at home.
     
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    Kind of sucks when you cross to go camping/fishing/hiking on a regular basis.
     
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    Yeah that sucks :(
     
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    I think the problem is that the Border agents have decided that the thumb stud is only "necessary" if you were going to use it as a weapon, and anyone using it as a tool doesn't need that. As someone who uses a knife daily for work I can say the single hand open is exponentially more convenient and safer for me. Unfortunately until it gets turned into a law vs an import rule it's going the be harder to fight.
     
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    Just for clarification, the term used was "any knife able to be opened by one hand", like a thumb stud. Therefore my spyderco knives fit under that category as well.
     
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    I can tighten the pivot bolt on my benchmade mini griptilian to make it impossible to open with one hand. In fact, that's how it was shipped to me. I believe it was to done that way just for these very laws.
     
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    Correct. Not only thumb stud but even a thumb hole which includes leatherman and Gerber multitools. Some might get throughout, some not. It's not a law so whatever the customs officer decides that day is what happens. look through MEC or Canadian tire online and you'll see most knifes now are thumbnail at the most. They can sell them but until someone starts making them in Canada, once they are gone, they're gone.
     
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    Well, this is shit news if it's true, and not just a shitty border agent. As someone that EDC's an assisted opening knife, and is planning to start crossing the border twice a week in a few months, this sounds like a pain.
     
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    I've bought 3 as backup since I started to see them disappear. cabelas and sail still have a bunch
     
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    Thanks for the link!

    I think I'm going to have to open carry my pocket knives; can't have a concealed weapon in my pocket. Think of the children!
     
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    I clip mine to the inside of my pocket. The top of the closed knife and pocket clip are "open" for all to see.

    Nothing has changed with the Criminal Code of Canada... All our EDC knives that were legal before the Trade Tribunal Decision are still just as legal today. What's changed is only how they are to be interpreted at the border. It's really only at the border (travelling, import) that you would be affected. CBSA would be able to seize it, certainly, but I doubt there's any further penalty available.
     
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    Just have a hand removed. Then you can get an exemption.
     
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    No penalty for trying to bring it in. Penalty for lying if asked.
     
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    Yes, certainly, the real penalty would be as result of lying.
    If you're honest about carrying it back into the country, the CBSA agent may examine it and may seize it.
    Some may feel like losing their EDC knife to a border agent is a penalty in and of itself.
    If you're not up front about it, they're seizing it and penalizing you for your failure to declare. Shocked if it wasn't a couple hundred dollars worth of fine(s).
     
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    And then there's the whole thing about possibly losing the ability to go into certain countries with that on your file.

    I'll be seeing some of the knife reps in a few months. I'll have to get their thoughts.
     
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    I'm in the market for a fixed blade, 2.5-3.5inch blade, 4-4.5inch handle, gimping for your thumb on the blade, and preferably a finger choil, full tang, and G10.

    I like this knife, but the handle is way too small.
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    I think I'll pick this one up for attaching to my life jacket for fishing duty. I'm looking for something a little larger for EDC.
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    Any suggestions?
     
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    What is your budget?
     
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    $100US tops. I should have included that. :)

    Thanks for the suggestion (btw, you duplicated the same one), I'll poke around bladehq.
     
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    All things considered it's really not a lot of signatures.

    It's a little scary though and this could quickly blow up and swing the other way. Ie they become illegal. It will be easier to fight because it would then be a governed entity vs border patrol, but I can see it happening. Get the right person to all of a sudden start screaming that switchblades are legal and won't someone think of the children, and next thing you know nail clippers need to be registered .
     
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    The only plus is that it was started by someone in the government so at least there is someone official pushing it forward.
     

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