HRM new smoking rules

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  1. Scott

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    Awesome! :bigup:
     
  3. Boots

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    Too much government imo.

    Smoking is bad but if you're willing to pay the taxes on them and still smoke, you should be able to smoke in public. Government shouldn't be telling you that you can't. The existing laws keeping people away from entrances and inside buildings was perfectly adequate.
     
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    I found it pretty lax actually. Not that I go to the mall very often, but damn if it wasnt a cloud when you walked in/out by the doors
     
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    That's more an enforcement problem though. Instead of going all crazy with the new law, they should have enforced the old.

    What do employees do if they work somewhere in the city and need to have a smoke on their break? Do businesses have to incorporate smoking rooms now?
     
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    Id be happy if they just banned smoking all together imo.
     
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    I just hate the idea of the government telling you what to do. If you choose to smoke, you should be able to smoke (in a place where you don't bother non smokers). We are all grown ups!
     
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    Walking down the sidewalk around smokers bothers me, getting smoke blown on me is no bueno.

    I kinda agree with the law but can see how it will potentially hurt businesses
     
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    Agree completely that it's gross getting a facefull of smoke. That's more so inconsiderate people than anything though
     
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    Don’t smoke

    Don’t care
     
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    I also agree its a little too much government, but it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
     
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    This law is not about tobacco smoke - it's 100% about the upcoming cannabis and trying to clamp down on the impact of the smell of pot in a city that relies heavily on tourism. It's good to see that the city is thinking about it and getting out in front of it - over time as it becomes more normal and folks are used to it, I assume it will be a rule that rarely gets enforced.
     
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    Really depends on where and how the smoking zones are set up. I feel that enforcement won't be any different than it is for the current laws anyway.
     
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    Yup. Pot is legal, let's make it illegal to smoke anywhere. Old people governing :o
     
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    Booze is legal but you can't drink in public places
     
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    Other than bars, restaurant's, licensed outdoor events...
     
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    Look at the divide in getting legalization to go forward. It doesn't surprise me at all, especially in Nova Scotia, to see something like this pass. It's only been ~10 years or so since you could shop on a Sunday.
     
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    Same idea as designated smoking areas, no?
     
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    I can't stand it when I see people getting high in public . Doesn't bother me if people smoke weed, but do it in the privacy of your own home.
     
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    GrifterGrifter - are you taking Trump double negative lessons?
     
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    Not at all?
     
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    Ah, auto correct. Thank you sir! :lol:
     
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    Only difference is that if you are drinking beside me, I am not going to eventually get second hand liver disease. This is in the works with many cities across the country at the moment. about 17% of Canadians currently smoke and of those only a small percent smoke in public. In reality the amount of people affected by this is really insignificant. This might push a lot of people to quit who were already on the edge.
     
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    Yeah, end of the day, don't really care one way or another.
     
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    So let's say that they decide to have another concert on the Commons. Can they temporarily designate a municipal property as a smoking area? I'm sure the band's and attendees will be thrilled to find out they can't smoke there.

    I don't have a dog in this fight but it seems a little heavy handed .
     
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    Same as they can grant temporary liquor licenses on the grounds.
     
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    I think it's pretty heavy handed. That being said, they barely enforce the existing bylaw - so I imagine it will be a complaint driven process. I've been smoke free for about 12 years, having smoked at least a pack per day for 29 years. While I'm in support of people not smoking I don't think it's reasonable to be this heavy handed. Enforce existing bylaws and if necessary, expand it to include marijuana and e-cigarette smoke.
     
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    Here in the US... smoking, drinking, driving... these are not rights. They are a privilege, therefore they all bear regulation. When something does impact others negatively, such as drunk driving and smoking, it should be banned from the public to protect the citizens.

    I personally agree with this, I’m not interested in suffering for someone else’s poor decisions.
     
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    Solid response for sure. I know not every US citizen is gun friendly, curious if you think guns fall in that same list of "privileges", or are they a right? Not trying to start anything, just wondering what your opinion is on it being an American.
     
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    Guns are a constitutional right protected by the first amendment, so regulation is far more difficult.
     
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    That's the big hangup with any gun reform in the US. Not only are you asking to change the rules around firearms but you're also asking to change a constitutional right. Slippery slope. I do think that having anything related to a firearm being a right is a bit insane though.
     
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    I agree...the constitution needs to change. Right to own guns in a democratic country in this day in age is bonkers.
     
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    Their population alone makes it bonkers. 350+ million people with the right to bear arms. Even if only 1% of those people aren't responsible/mentally capable of owning guns, you're looking at 3.5 million people :eek3:
     
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    Yeah, it’s very clearly an issue. There’s no real way to hide it, just turn on the news any night.

    My city is hella violent apparently, the news reports some shooting like every few hours... I don’t believe you guys even have any cities like that up there, and there are waaaaay worse places in America than where I live.
     
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    Toronto is having a rough year with gun violence. It's still in the top 5 safest cities in North America though :rofl:
     

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