DEBATE: Guaranteed minimum income

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  1. Boots

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    The Liberal's recently voted a guaranteed minimum income part of their platform.

    http://winnipeg2016.liberal.ca/policy/poverty-reduction-minimum-income/

    What are your thoughts on this? If it's cost neutral and replaces programs like welfare and employment insurance, I don't see why it wouldn't be a good thing?
     
  2. infatuous

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    If it came with employment rules making it easier to fire useless shits I'd be down with it.
     
  3. Boots

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    That doesn't seem to fit into this anywhere :lol:
     
  4. visual_kool

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    Depends on how they implement it. If they take money away from welfare and give cuts to small businesses it could work. If they try to impose a higher min wage and put the burden on the businesses, it will not work.
     
  5. Wayne

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    Working people should have livable wages, but its senior citizens that are getting shafted. My parents (and I am sure many peoples parents) get $1500/mnth total to live on. That's fucked.
     
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    I think it would be better than EI and welfare, but I don't really want to feel like I'm paying more for it because I actually work. Unfortunately, I feel like that is exactly what would happen though.
     
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    I'm on the fence...part of me feels like it could be a disincentive for many people who are not the self-motivating type. However, if it was more cost effective than welfare/EI and benefited the country overall...it could work. It's an interesting topic for sure.
     
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    I'm really not trying to be a dick, but your parents had 65 years to put money away
     
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    I have so many questions, and suspect that the answers are going to infuriate me...

    Does this kick in at age 18? So an 18yr old will basically start getting a $20k (the figure tossed around in the motion/linked article) annual income, regardless of work/school? Seems like a pretty good reason to stay in mom and dad's basement indefinitely and not go to work...

    This.
     
  10. billybob

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    Not in favour of it. Encourages the lazy to stay lazy. Encourages the young to lack motivation. Encourages low income families to stay low income.

    what unskilled father working at Dairy Queen supporting a wife and 3 kids is going to use it to go back to school?

    Between guaranteed income and massive child tax benefits for the poor, it's burning money. In my opinion.
     
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    I don't think they are talking about a guaranteed min. income of 60K/year. I'd assume it's low enough that people aren't going to be retiring on it :lol:
     
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    RTFA (http://leadersandlegacies.com/2015/05/01/goodbye-welfare-hello-basic-income/)

    I'm looking at it as someone who has met the middle class criteria for a good part of his life, and has contributed a lot of money to taxes. I don't have a problem with this. The research shows that some costs go down (health care - a biggie) and that more people want to work than you would think. For example - in the future a lot of jobs that currently exist will be automated. A part of the workforce may end up underemployed - but still need to live. You can pay for it up front by giving them a decent wage and letting them serve fries, or let them be a drain on other facets of the system, whether it be medical, social services, or the courts/jail.

    I started planning for retirement about 10 years ago (Instead of taking raises I put the extra into my RRSP until I was putting away 11% of my income per year - the small bumps in pay were worth more that way, and I'm not a disciplined saver), and now realize I should have started earlier - that being said I'm not going to be terribly bad off and plan to work until 65.
     
  13. Stang

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    Little Justin giving more incentive for people to stay home on their ass. Excellent.

    And this won't effect taxes with increases ? :lol: Best laugh I've had today.
     
  14. Boots

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    Little Justin is actually bigger than you StangStang (6"2). What does that say for you? :lol:
     
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    OK, tall but still clueless and unqualified .... got it.

    Maybe that legal pot will make the tax increases easier to swallow for ya. :lol:
     
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    My mom has been on permanent disability since she was 40 (but for 15 years had to fight for workers comp before finally winning), my dad was a carpenter and sole income...so it wasn't exactly easy to have an RRSP and raise two kids. So yeah, you were kind of a dick. Not everyone can be brushed with the same stroke.
     
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    "When a Senate committee made rough calculations six years ago, they found it would cost about $20 billion to implement such a program. A 2008 study, estimated that $72 billion to $86 billion was the cost of health care, criminal justice and lost productivity, all associated with the crippling effects of inequality. In other words, we would actually be saving money to implement a basic income guarantee."
     
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    If you work 40 hrs a week and can't afford to rent, transportation, and eat at the same time...system is flawed. I am all for basic income guarantee.
     
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    He's also more educated than you....in fact I think he tops you in pretty much every category:lol:
     
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    Stang likely has better COD skills
     
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    hey, clearly he is much more qualified than Trudeau is.
     
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    You'd think, eh?
     
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    Yeah, paywalled
     
  25. BenFrank

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    More socialist money for nothing programs are not the answer.

    And trial runs from 35 years ago aren't exactly conclusive today.

    The liberals are smart though, to legalize weed and then give everyone a monthly allowance to buy it... securing the stoner vote forever more.

    This country is going down the shitter fast.
     
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    The liberal fiscal policies are just mind blowingly retarded

    Unfortunately the average Canadian is fiscally retarded

    What perfect timing for Justin and his PR politics. The average Canadian just eats up the sound bites and feel good stories. Makes me worried they're going to be in power for a long time.

    I don't care if the prime minister is a cool guy, I want him to be good at his job
     
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    There is compelling data to support the fact that a strong middle class is better for the over all economy. There is also lots of data supporting the theory that social assistance is detrimental to the economy because it doesn't foster innovation, entrepreneurs or higher education. Give a man fish vs teach him to fish theory.

    I agree with the latter. A perfect example is our Native population. Unearned money just fosters more entitlement.

    Not really sure where the dick comments are coming from. It's pretty simple, spend less that you earn, save 10% for retirement. If you can't afford to save then you should reevaluate your spending habits.
     
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    Is 11% the standard?
    I hate the fact that I started RRSP's late into life now. Like I am 36 and only started it 2 years ago. I should have started 15 years ago, and I tell all my young friends the same(most just ignore me)

    But I am still half clueless about it. My fiancee is 9 years younger and started 2 years before me. But each of us only saves 3% of our pay to RSP, 3% to DCCP and our company matches the DCCP(They give 4.5% if you put in 6%). They just changed our plan not long ago, as they used to only match RRSP's, but changed to DCCP. At the time we each put in 3% since that was what they matched, but I feel like we should be bumping it up more to 6% for DCCP to maximize their 4.5% and keep putting 3% into a separate RRSP.
    That would end up in the realm of 13.5% with 9% coming off our checks.

    But since I only started saving at age 34, I feel like maybe I am way behind.
     
  29. Cooper

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    Is he really?!?!
     
  30. Boots

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    6'2" 180lbs when he boxed brazeau.
     
  31. Stang

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    A spoiled entitled brat who is only Prime Minister because of the vagina he fell out of.

    But you will over look all failings as long as you get your little legal weed ... Kind of pathetic.
     
  32. Boots

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    You bring up pot in every post you make :lol:
     
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    Little Justin as clueless and unqualified as he is has made it to be prime minister. What have you managed to do other than get a platinum P90 and special edition camo?
     
  34. Stang

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    I've put up with your drivel for years does that count ?
     
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    When he came to Fort Mac he looked so small. Weird. I would have put him at 5'10 or so!!
     

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