Discussion in 'Reality Check' started by HairyAss, Sep 24, 2019.
How bad was the Edmonton PC candidate that literally every single riding but his was won by PC?
Gaining seats is good but they were up against a very weakened Trudeau.
Do you feel the same about Quebec separating, just curious?
I can feel the West's point here when an election is decided before our polls even close out here and it's NEVER in the West's favor.
...and I feel the pain in your second statement. The maritimes barely makes a dent in the total ridings count.
Scheer was not the best choice for leader of the party but he won the leadership race, I still don't know how because there were so many better people running, that said he did win so he had my support and he has only been leader for two years now.
Trudeau has the Media in his pocket and that was a huge thing for him, if Scheer had of had the blackface his head would be on a pike on Parliament Hill and the same with EVERY other blunder of trudeau's the media just blew it off and people just said "Oh it not that bad, he is sorry for doing it"
Are you forgetting Harper already?
For the record, as a Liberal/Green kinda guy, I approve of a cross canada pipeline (if done safely with environment risks kept to a minimum) as a transition step to move us from less coal to more renewables. A transition step, not a forever step.
Nope Harper was a great PM
I should not have used Never because it's always the liberals are in power and spend spend spend and then the Cons have to come in and clean up the mess and look like the bad guys for being responsible and balancing the budgets and people get mad at then and it back to the the spend spend spend libs
It's happening in ON right now with Ford
You lost me at Harper was a great PM...he was the worst.
There has been some good conservatives, he wasn't one of them.
Nah, Edmonton Strahcona is Rachel Notley territory. It's where you find the hippy/socialist idiots who spend their lives not showering and going to farmers markets. It's no surprise
Harper was good at the start but then the power went to his head and he had to go.
Conservatives were in power during the oil boom in both nfld and Alberta. Alberta is in rough shape and nfld is on the brink of declaring bankruptcy. I don't think you can associate fiscal responsibility with any party at this point.
Not sure if you voted green or red, but everyone else in our riding voted blue. Dude won by a hefty margin.
Interesting to see the greens get voted in In Fredericton though.
Alberta can't get it's oil to a port or a refinery to sell but the liberals have no trouble increasing the saudi oil imports. We need to develop our own resources instead of importing from the middle east. We have the 3rd largest oil reserve in the world and it's one of the cleanest environmentally despite what all the dirty hippies say. If we could just get a government to just build off that we would be a much better off and could afford social programs and healthcare hospitals, school upgrades and clean water for first nations and still have a surplus.
Historically, it is the Conservatives who overspend and create a budget deficit and then the Liberals who come in and clean everything up. I mean, spout your fallacy all you want but it is a well documented fact.
Red, I knew it was going blue though. A lot of rural area in our riding, rural folks love the blue.
Look at the hole trudeau sr put us in it wasn't until the GST was brought in by the cons and it was instant poison for them and instant success for the libs (who said they would kill it ) and revenue for them to use to say that they balanced the books.
Then when things crashed in 2008ish the libs and NDP forced the cons to spend huge deficits on bailouts& stimulus or go to another election and then blame the cons for spending even though they still balanced the books with a surplus when they left office in 2015 and look where we are now and the East, mostly ON, does't seem to care where or how we are going to get out of the hole we are in and think we can just keep digging our way out.
Paul Martin under Chretien for some recent history.
Saying the Liberals or Conservatives are more fiscally responsible than the other is not worth debating probably. There are examples from both parties to point to. (I know I was just arguing this - I’ll concede there are good examples on both sides.)
I don’t think you could say Scheer was going to be good at this either way. He’s a career politician with no background in financial matters. From what I’ve read about him, he would want to give all our money to the church.
Also - you can’t compare the federal parties to any of the provincial governments. They pretty much don’t resemble each other at all.
And just to be clear. I’m neither Liberal nor Conservative. I’ve voted for both. Trudeau is the lesser of 2 worse choices right now. Scheer would have been horrible - that’s why a Liberal minority is the best thing right now. Ideally, the Liberals will find a way to cooperate with other parties and we won’t be back at the polls again in 2 years. If we are, hopefully the CPC smartens up and gets rid of Scheer.
I have a hard time debating politics with someone who is so obviously a “card carrying Conservative”. It’s not the Conservative part of that statement but “card carrying”. I had a similar discussion last week with someone who started out a discussion by stating, “I’m a card carrying Liberal”.
I see it more blatantly here in the US maybe because there are only 2 parties and the divide between them is larger and growing wider.
I thought Mulroney was a great PM and would have voted for him. I thought Chretien started out great but turned downhill as he went along, especially towards the end. I was kind of neutral on Harper in the beginning but he showed by the end of his first term that he was a power hungry control freak. I wish Jack Layton was still alive.
Argue on your values, not the values the current leader of the party you carry a card for currently tells you are important.
A good point that was made for the trans mountain pipeline is that if the Libs decide to move forward they would likely get the support of the Conservatives, which would be a alliance that no one really predicted. Jaggy and the Bloc Blocs don't have the numbers to oppose it.
This seems fitting, almost like history repeating it's self?
Trudeau came out today and said he's pushing forward with the pipeline
Finding this really hard to follow. People won't vote liberal because they don't like Trudeau, How can you support a party who's leader dressed in blackface 20 years ago??? but will vote for Scheer, even though they don't like him because, he is the leader of the party they like. The guys a tool, but he's the leader of the party so I have to support him. It makes no sense to me
It really seems like we've jumped on the political division bandwagon like the States where the most important part of a person is the party they support and it's impossible to agree with policies from more that one party. You always need to be all in. Don't like the carbon tax, you can't agree with abortion. Want to support climate change fixes, it means you support the SNC scandal. It's pretty tacky and it only reiforces us getting shitty candidates.
Exactly, no one really personified a leader in the true sense of the word. Other than maybe Blanchet but he has one province in mind and could not care less about Canada as a whole.
So what were the cons going to do if they had been elected? Break the law and build the pipeline. It was the supreme court who shut it down.
Well this is classy...