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  1. C. Mike Hunt

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    McKay’s first couple of tweets make me wonder if his priorities are out of whack.

    Is enforcing life sentences really top of mind these days?

    And, great - get rid of the carbon tax. What’s his plan to fight climate change then?
     
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    When did taxes change from a method to raise money for the government into a means of punishment and control?
    I say that very tongue in cheek. I really feel that most of these "taxes" that continually get put in place to reduce this, or curb that, are really just excuses to take more money.
    Does the carbon tax work? Are people now turning off their heat in the winter or selling their leisure vehicles? I'm sure there are more effective ways to help then environment. I'd rather see a government impose tax breaks and credits to companies/inventors that find new ways of doing things. Seems like positive reinforcement works better than negative reinforcement on dogs and kids, why not try it on citizens and corporations?
     
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    Look at what taxes did to cigarette sales :o
     
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    Did cigarette sales drop just because of taxes? Did education help? Maybe it was the e-cigarettes that gave people another option.

    Liquor sales still seem pretty strong and they're taxed to shit as well.
     
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    I think lots of education is needed for dealing with climate change as well. I know things getting more expensive is going to suck but the way we price goods is way outta wack with the cost those goods have on our environment.
     
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    I haven't seen the tweets so I'm not up on this, but if it's just targetting life sentence enforcement than I'm inclined to agree with you. That being said, if it's more reference to how fucked our justice system is, than I'm glad he's addressing it. Wouldn't consider it *top* priority but glad it's coming up.

    Plus.... You know he's a lawyer right?
     
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    A lot of the stuff he's posting about just seems like odd things that have not been part of the social discourse of late. He's also congratulating Boris Johnson on Brexit which seems odd (I thought Brexit was unilaterally viewed as a piss poor move for England. Everyone I know who lives there is upset by it.)
     
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    Modern conservatives seem to be big fans of nationalism and isolation.
     
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    I can see nationalism. But isolation? Disagree there. Then again, I don't consider myself modern as a conservative. I'd think my views are more traditional. :shrug2:
     
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    The $900 yoga tweet just seems petty considering the recent Scheer spending
     
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    The yoga tweet wasn’t about the $$ as much as pandering to folks who think doing something like yoga isn’t “manly”. Dumb move.
     
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    Look at the carbon tax here in BC as an example it hasn't done a damn thing they said it was going to do except make everything more expensive.
    My last gas bill was $90 some dollars and it was $12 for gas and the carbon tax was $15
    https://globalnews.ca/news/4123898/danielle-smith-carbon-tax/

    #CarbonTaxHoax
     
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    Making things more expensive is kind of the point though. Everything we consume right now is heavily subsidized by the environment because we've always treated the environment as some sort of disposable infinite resource that costs nothing. Putting a value on the environment that is calculated into the cost of products will shape how we buy and consume things.

    lol @ #CarbonTaxHoax You should have written that in sharpie for the full effect lol
     
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    I agree with the McKay's tweets being odd even for me.
    He seems like he is that new kid that is trying to fit in and knows a little bit stuff but is just trying to hard to impress everyone in the party and keep the people watching from the outside happy in case they might want to be friends as well.
    The military one made me really shake my head.
     
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    we should not be paying tax on heating our homes, are you willing to pay a carbon tax of more than the cost of each cord of wood to the guy that delivers it?
    Wood guy charges you $100/ cord now you pay $120 carbon tax / cord on that. Does that work for you?
    $220 per cord now to heat you house
    We all need to save the world and if we don't pay more who is going to?
    I want to know who your wood guy is so I can get my CUT
     
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    Wood Guy :lol:
     
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    While it sucks to see things get more expensive, if I'm burning wood and releasing carbon into the atmosphere (polluting) then I should pay some penalty for that. It'll cost more to heat my home so maybe I'll look into doing some efficiency upgrades or maybe drop my home's temperature a few degrees to lower costs.

    btw $220 a cord would be a smoking deal here
     
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    Wood is a renewable resource. Yes it is releasing carbon when burned, but when you turn around and grow new trees to replace it, you're closer to carbon neutral than say nice clean coal fired power from Emera, or even natural gas.
     
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    Not everyone has the large disposable income that you have though. I've said it before, you still have your play car, which is burning fossil fuels. And why should you pay a penalty? The goal should be to reduce pollution, not generate income. Taxes are not supposed to be used as a punishment yet more and more often they are. The low income family that is spending their last penny to keep their kids warm should not be penalized. Especially if they can't afford to invest on efficiency upgrades.

    Seems to me that it would be smarter to do an X prize type thing and reward someone for inventing a retrofit device that makes current home heating systems more efficient at an extremely low cost. When you penalize a company, costs get passed on to consumers, if you reward them, savings are the result.
     
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    I'd be all for tree credits! You're essentially storing carbon :o
     
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    If there was a carbon tax on my play car, I may have been swayed from buying it... Look, I get that nobody wants things to cost more money... I don't either.. but I think it's the inevitable. Our current way of doing things is clearly putting us on a path to a very bleak future. Who cares what things cost if our place to live is falling apart?
     
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    But your words don't match your actions so I'm having a hard time following.
     
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    I need someone to hit me in the wallet so I take this shit seriously lol
     
  26. Grifter

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    On that note...

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    Let's pretend that car manufacturers released their programming for the ecu's and the government provided a virtual dyno program to anyone who wanted to try and make the cars run more efficient, with a huge reward for the first person that figured out a way for a car to run twice as efficiently using half the fuel. Let's also assume that for this example that you had a complete understanding of vehicle fuel mapping. Don't you think you and a million others would be making a hobby out of the competition?
    Next pretend the government started a competition, again with a large financial reward to the first person that created a new grocery bag with all the benefits of the older thicker sobeys bag, with none of the down sides. The reward being given to offset the desire to patent it, or alternatively, a huge tax break to any grocery store that developed and implemented such a design. Again, I'd bet a solution would be found pretty quickly. All to often government and big business use the environment as an excuse to cut costs or increase prices. It happens time and time again.
     
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    So why are these forest fires such a environmental hot topic then if it's all carbon neutral, they have all burnt before and they will all burn again?

    It's all just a hoax and a tax grab.
     
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    Are you kidding around or do not believe in man made climate change?
     
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    It sounds great but people are lazy and mostly motivated by money. That's the harsh reality of where we are at these days.
     
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    yeah, easy to hide behind a social media team. He's probably wants to play nice so the liberals don't bring up his taxpayer funded fishing ubercopters lol
     
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    I really want MacKay to not fuck it up. Canada needs an alternative to Trudeau.
     
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    He's never gonna get past that imo.
     

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