Decided to try out NOS

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  1. Boots

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    :eek: :eek: :eek:

    I'll let you know how it works... Gonna go out and smoke a few SRT-4's

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    u paid full price for that?? u got raped... that stuff is no different than regualr octane boost!!
     
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    it was $11 :wtf:
     
  4. shawnmcw

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    hope either you don't care much about your engine or i was just very unlucky because i tried that stuff in my old motor and sudenly have a very good excuse to turn my civic into a hybrid :cry:
     
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    Your saying octane booster destroyed your engine? :wtf:
     
  6. shawnmcw

    no i am not a noob

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    seems like it damaged the injectors on the car, would have been so expensive to replace it according to what i was told that i decided to just do an engine swap instead.

    in all honesty in did intend to do a swap in the future anyway but it kind of forced me to do it sooner instead of later
     
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    with a vw.. you can put as much octane as you want.. and not hurt the motor :D.. or so ive been told!!


    prices musta came down.. last year and every other year after it came out it was like 15 - 20 bucks for a bottle... whereas other octane booster is just around the 5$ mark..
     
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  9. John Doe

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    If by "try it out" you mean you're going to dust your desk, then by all means get started!
     
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    WHAT!!?!?!?!?! :x
     
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    I got a half tank of 87 octane in a car that requires 91 octane... just gonna add some of this to be nice to the motor. I can't see it blowing up the motor :wtf:
     
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    you won't even see 88 octane after adding that bottle
     
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    even adding a full bottle to a half tank? It says it raises 60L of gas 3 octane points
     
  14. John Doe

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    Didn't you know that Burnsie has a PhD in Chemistry, and knows better than the chemical engineers that made the product?!?!?!? DIDN'T YOU KNOW?!
     
  15. DC5-S

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    Boots, you really should be using toluene. Octane booster is a waste of time. Just go to a paint store and pick up a jug. Then you motor will thank you
     
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    Are you serious? I've used the shit before for different things and it's potent stuff! I've just never heard of using it for this.
     
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    It's excellent for that purpose. Alot of the solo racers in the SCCA use it to bump up their octane. I've used it with excellent results
     
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    octane booster :lol:
    if you were using it on a car that didn't require premium, i would belittle you more
     
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    I am 8 month away from a mechanical engineering degree, spent 8 months working for one of the largest chemical suppliers in the world, and currently developing a chemical separation system to remove hexavalent chromium (Cr+6) from waste water, I think I’m more than qualified to call someone out on a bullshit claim like the one listed above.

    Good thing I already explained this to someone else, fuck you guys suck!

    Basics from grade 9 science and grade 8 math.

    104+ octane booster was usedin this example, but I will assume that this SHIT is similar

    C=concentration
    V=volume

    C1*V1+C2*V2=Cf*(V1+V2)

    104+ octane booster comes in 16oz bottles
    16oz = 0.473L

    Adding this to 25L (50L tank / 2 = 25L) you get to use 0.01892L boost / L gas

    So:

    87Oct*1L + 104Oct*0.01892L=X Oct*(1L+0.01892L)

    Solving for X:

    X=87.3157 Octane <- Final octane rating of your fuel after adding your full bottle of boost

    To raise the octane by 3 pts you would need to add 214.3ml of boost per L, so in boot’s case he would need 5.3L of this crap for his ½ full tank of 87octane.

    For reference:

    Also adding the same amount of this stuff to 87 and 91 octane fuels will yield different concentration gains. 3pt gain on 91 octane = 300ml/L, 3pt gain on 87 octane = 214.3ml/L

    To change 1L of 87 octane gas into 91 octane gas you would have to add 1L of 95 octane gas

    http://www.disgruntledpunk.com/octane.htm

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it :finger:
     
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    How do you know the density of the chemical being added?
     
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    Where does density come into the equation?

    Concentration is all that matters; it’s a volume/volume comparison, not a mass/mass.

    And you are comparing OCTANE it has the same partial density no matter what the concentration.
     
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    no, but he is the man on a big automotive forum, so he should know.

    go there www.lowexpectaions.com
     
  24. John Doe

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    Depending on the formula used, AND there are different ways of measuring octane.

    Simple equations like that aren't effective in determining the chemical makeup of a mixture of this sort.
     
  25. John Doe

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    Either way, I wouldn't put it in my car. *shrug* I put 93 in and all is well.
     
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    Doing it on a mass basis provides even worse results. The stuff doesn't do what is says it does, end of story.
     
  27. John Doe

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    Oh yeah I know that, but it's impossible to tell exactly HOW ineffective it is without running tests on exactly what you're getting.

    It's really for people who can't resist purchasing SOMETHING.
     
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    and with that Burnsie shows why its almost pointless to argue with him. hahah good going burns!
     
  29. John Doe

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    Except he didn't prove a thing.

    His formula is based on what is in that can being 104 octane, not what is in that can raising your octane to 104. Totally different than what actually happens. It's simple math, yes, but it sure as hell isn't chemistry.
     
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    All those octane boosters in a bottle are complete shit. When they say it raises your octane by 3 or 4 points that means it's taking you from 91 to 91.3 or 91.4 for the specific volume mentioned on the label. The best, low cost octane booster is Toluene. Xylene is also a good octane booster but it costs more. They are both quite toxic:

    Now if you are seriously looking for increased octane (you have a big turbo or super high compression) you should read and re-read the following FAQ:

    http://www.elektro.com/~audi/audi/toluene.html

    You can get toluene from any industrial paint place, just make sure it's 100% toluene and doesn't conain anything that will harm your engine. I've used it in my car and I usually use about 6 liters per tank. Don't store this inside! It's hazardous stuff! And store it in a metal container!

    I have a 60 liter tank, toluene has an octane of 114.

    so (54L x 91 octane) + (6L x 114 octane) / 60 = 93.3 octane


    So to sum up, NOS Octane booster = ASS and toluene > nos octane booster.
     
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    sloth runs a website too, but i like him
     
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    What’s in the bottle is going to be added to the fuel, the actual "quantity" of octane will remain unchanged, unless there is Octane in the bottle, if its toluene that is being added then you are going to have and equation similar to this

    Other hydrocarbons + C8H18 + C7H8 + (O2 +3.76N2) + H2O - > CO2 + CO + N2 + H2O + O2 + Any un-burnt fuel

    The octane rating is a quantitative evaluation of the fuels ability to resist “knock”, not the actual quantity of Octane in the mixture. The base line is achieved through the use of 2 hydrocarbon fuels: Isooctane and n-hepatine. Isooctane is given a octane rating of 100 and n-hepatine is given an octane rating of 0. All other hydrocarbons are compared to this to receive their “octane” rating.

    Because the RATINGS are being compared simple equations will work to give an approximation of the effectiveness of any additives. The example given is that a fuel mixture of 87% Isooctane and 13% n-hepatine will have an octane rating of 87. Just as the rating at the pumps is the (R+M)/2

    So to rephrase what was said earlier. For this single bottle of chemical to raise the octane number of 25L of boot’s gas 3 points the contents of the bottle would need an octane “rating” of 249, seems kinda high to me.

    --> nice post cody

    PS... CivicDX is :gay:
     
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    Good way to waste $11.00 :P
     
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    If it were to actually do what it advertised, then it would need that rating. I doubt it does, that's a bit volatile to purchase without a license to do so. Again, note I don't use the trash.. but that is the intent of it.

    Yes.
     
  35. Boots

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    wow... all this over a measly $11 bottle of "octane booster" :lol:

    you guys need to get out more
     

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