Discussion in 'Reality Check' started by HairyAss, Mar 1, 2020.
You need to log off Facebook lol
Leave it to my smart colleague in UNB History Dr. Elizabeth Mancke to come up with this clear explanation:
“I was talking with a smart, thoughtful student today who did not comprehend the importance of slowing down the Covid-19 contagion. So I am offering a simple example as an explanation because I don't think he is unusual.
Imagine a city of 100,000 people, such as Fredericton.
Imagine that 20%, or 20,000 people get infected, which is not inconceivable without quarantines.
Imagine that of those 20,000, 10% need hospitalization with a ventilator. That's 2000 people.
I can assure you, the hospital in Fredericton cannot handle a flood of 2000 people needing a ventilator. It could not handle 200 in 72-96 hours.
Imagine that only 10% of those people die. That's 200 people, a mere .02%. Not 2%, .02%. It's still too many.
We can't even handle a 10% contagion rate. So self quarantine if there is any chance one is contagious is critical. We are risking a total system crash. That means if you are in a car accident and need medical care, you can't get it. Or if you slip on the ice and break your leg, you can't get care. It threatens delivery of food. It threatens sewage systems.
Quarantines are not overreaction. A system crash would be far worse.”
he’s right. They are only intubating people with the best chance of survival, as the system is overloaded and there’s not enough respirators.
Where? I thought he was talking about Canada
So just lock people out of their home? They should just sleep on the streets? Have someone else take care of their pet, child or elderly parent until they get back whenever that might be?
There was a recommendation to medical providers in Italy that the time has come / is inevitably coming, to practice extreme triage. Care for the people with the best chance of survival first.
Closing down airports just leaves more people in an ultra vulnerable position.
Of course i am not talking about canada. Come on
We are lucky to have a crystal ball on this and can see 1 month into the future because of italy and China. If you cant see a storm coming open your eyes. Shit is about the get bad. We are not any better at handling this than any of them.
As for shutting bown the airports, its easy. A snow storm shuts them down for days on end. People will cope.
I'm actually fairly impressed with Canada's response to this so far
Give people one or two days to get the fuck home. Make them stay there.
My issue is people like my neighbor who went to new york yesterday for a birthday fucking party. Coming home in 4 days. Has a kid in my sons class. The intelligence level on this type of thinking is mind blowing.
Lots just like him.
From a business perspective, I’m terrified they’re going to close the Canada/US border. 85% of my income comes from sales of goods that need to cross into the US.
If they close to people, I can survive by shipping using other methods. If they close entirely (including packages), imma need everyone to send me ramen noodles and KD.
Also worried about suspension of the postal system, or closure of Amazon’s fulfillment centers. Either would cause a HUGE decrease in my income.
Personally, we’re limiting our exposure to other people/places. I’m not so worried for ourselves, as for the whole population. If we can eliminate ourselves as potential carriers/etc, we will. We can/do work from our home, and have more than enough provisions to survive a few weeks without running out of stuff. Frequent hand washing, and I’ve got a bottle of hand sanitizer in the cup holder of the truck for when I make post office trips.
Make them stay where?? Out on the streets? That will make things worse. The hotel rooms are booked for the next guests. People only have so much money. Not everyone goes to another country for a vacation or business.
Dude you are not following what i am saying. Give them a day or two to get home. Then stay the fuck home. Shut down the airports after that
borders will definatley be closing
I've sold so much ammunition these last few days....
Hopefully NS imposes a Coronavirus tax. If I've learned anything over the past few years it's that taxes fix all problems.
I have NO IDEA why, but I’ve been tempted to pop into the Gun Dealer and pick up a 12ga lately. I truly don’t think things are going to come to that, but feel like I should have one living in the woods anyway. I’m just SUPER cheap.
You know, taxing bulk purchases of toilet paper might not be a bad idea...
The squirrels will know you mean business when they hear that shell get chambered.
Nova Scotia announced the province’s first three presumptive cases of novel coronavirus (COVID-19), today, March 15. The province is also taking further measures to reduce the spread of COVID-19.
The cases are not connected and are travel related. The individuals followed all the proper procedures when they started to feel unwell.
“My thoughts are with the individuals affected and I wish them a speedy and thorough recovery. Now, more than ever, all Nova Scotians must follow public health direction – that’s how we will reduce the spread of this virus in our province,” said Premier Stephen McNeil. “We need to work together to protect our most vulnerable.”
Two individuals are in the Halifax Regional Municipality and one is in Kings County. All three are managing their symptoms at home in self-isolation. Details include:
a female in her 60’s, who returned to Halifax from Australia on March 8.
a male in his late 50’s, who recently attended a conference in California and returned to Halifax on March 13.
a male in his 30’s, who returned to Halifax on March 10 following travel throughout Europe.
Public health has been in contact with these individuals and those who have come in close contact with them are also being directed to self-isolate at home, away from the public, for 14 days.
Additional prevention measures for Nova Scotians are in effect immediately under the authority of the Health Protection Act and include:
long-term care facilities closed to visitors effectively immediately
public schools closed for two weeks following March Break (weeks of March 23 and March 30) and then will be reassessed
regulated child care centres closed March 17 to April 3 and then will be reassessed
March break camps cancelled
casinos in Halifax and Sydney are closed as of 12 am March 16 and bar owners can no longer operating [sic - operate] VLTs
anyone who travelled outside of Canada must self-isolate even if symptom-free
organizations and businesses must practise social distancing of two metres or six feet and keep gatherings below 150 or much smaller if possible. This applies to restaurants, bars, movie theatres and other gathering spots
Starting Monday, March 16, public health inspectors will be onsite at the Halifax International Airport and the J.A. Douglas McCurdy Sydney Airport. Work is ongoing with federal partners responsible for border security to strengthen the screening process. As well, both airports now have information on digital screens in all areas frequented by travellers.
Nova Scotians can find accurate, up-to-date information, handwashing posters and fact sheets at https://novascotia.ca/coronavirus .
as of March 15, Nova Scotia has completed 418 tests for COVID-19, with 415 negative results and 3 presumptive positive cases. Testing numbers are updated daily at https://novascotia.ca/coronavirus
the Government of Canada has issued a travel advisory asking Canadians to avoid non-essential travel outside Canada until further notice.
anyone who has travelled outside of Canada or has been in close contact with someone who has and are experiencing fever (above 38C) or cough should complete the online questionnaire to see whether you need to call 811. The online questionnaire can be found at: 811.novascotia.ca
Nova Scotia’s Health Protection Act gives the chief medical officer of health the authority to give advice to protect public health and decrease risk to public health presented by communicable diseases such as COVID-19
the public school system will be investigating virtual schools focused on essential curriculum to ensure Grade 12 students can graduate
The Public Health Agency of Canada maintains a list of affected areas: https://www.canada.ca/en/public-hea...ofessionals/covid-19-affected-areas-list.html
Government of Canada: https://canada.ca/coronavirus
Government of Canada toll-free information line 1-833-784-4397
Nova Scotia Public Health offices:
Good to hear those affected followed proper procedures. Sounds like things are being handled pretty effectively.
Why are we not closing the airports?! Seriously, it is only coming in though air travelers. It only makes sense
Easy for you to say but if you were out of country when this all went down would you appreciate it if we locked you out?
Jesus they have had two months to see what is coming. I know people that left for trips in the last 3 days. If you are that stupid, it is on you. Close the airports!
I’ll admit I was being a bit bone headed when it came travelling. We planned this vacation last year and I was in full vacation mode and nothing was going to stop me.
looking at how things have progressed even since Thursday when we decided to axe the trip, I’m 100% happy in this decision and I know if I would of got locked out of the country, I’d say “well I deserve this”.
Airports should be shut down....if you left the country for vacation anyway, you deserve whatever happens wherever you’re stuck
Well done!!! That was the absolute best decision.
So many others are not as intelligent as you.
the next 10 days are going to be wild
I just got done watching an episode of explained on Netflix from a year or two ago...the main question was "is the world ready for what almost is certainly going to come a pandemic?"
So far the answer is kinda, some places are doing it alot better than others.
Gotta admit it feels like we are living through something monumental.
All the schools in the province are closed until further notice, likely September. All the daycares are closed. Most employers are sending workers to work from home if possible. Most grocery stores are pretty well sold out of everything. Zero meat or dairy in stock in multiple stores today. Even fucking frozen pizzas are sold out. Oddly enough, there was some toilet paper in stock.
My go bags are packed, ammunition rationed, guns at the ready, truck fueled... Family prepped, message sent to Rick Grimes.
There are only so many aircraft with only so many seats, and the prices of tickets have skyrocketed to a point that some people would not have the money to afford them. On top of that, Air Canada has not imposed any special programs to change flights, and even if they did, there is no way to reach anyone there.
There are a limited number of planes with a limited number of seats, flying to a limited number of airports with a limited number of runways and limited number of gates, with a limited number or hours in the day, being flow by a limited number of pilots, with a limited number of allowable flight hours.
Most of the flights coming back to Canada from abroad are typically always close to full.
You now need to get tens of thousands of more people back that were not scheduled to come back at the same time.
A flight that was typically 6-$800 is now $2000-$3000 all the way up to $11,0000. And that doesn't get you home, only to one of the major airports. Since the 737-Max issue, direct flights have dropped dramatically. Your available disposable income is significantly greater than most people's. Many simply can't get the money to get new flights even if they wanted to. A family of 4 stands to not only pay $8000 for their new tickets, but also lose the $4000 they initially spent on their original return flight. $12000 might not seem like a lot to you, but to some, its simply not available.
Even if you want to come home tomorrow or this week for that matter, its virtually impossible to get a flight.
You can't call Air Canada. The line disconnects after a 4 hr hold.
You can't email them. You get a response that they will reach out to you in 4 weeks
You can't cancel or modify your flights on their website right now
You can't tweet them. They tell you to DM them, and then they don't respond.
The only option to speak to someone is to go to the airport at speak to someone at the counter. Unfortunately many people are being told when they get there that they can't do anything there and they have to call the call center.
If they airports are closed they then become homeless in a country that they don't belong. Nowhere to live, nowhere to get food, nowhere to get medication. This will allow the virus to spread faster everywhere as just as many people need to leave Canada as other's need to return.
I was supposed to fly to Europe on Sunday to see a dying relative. Tried to cancel for a week. Ultimately we did what we could do to cancel, and even after AC cancelled the flights that we were supposed to be on, allowing us the opportunity to cancel our tickets with no penalty, their online system was disabled. And by disabled, I mean that the links have actually been taken down. At this time we have no idea if the money will be refunded or not. Credit Card company says there is nothing they can do. Others that have managed to cancel are saying that of their $800 ticket they are only getting back $30.
People aren't ignoring the issues just so they can get one more day at Euro-Disney, and they didn't have 2 months to revise their plans. This only became a significant global issue requiring the consideration of massive re-planning about 2 or 3 weeks ago. And it wasn't until about 2 weeks ago that it became evident that shit would *likely* hit the fan, and last week was the genuine Oh Shit moment.
The home countries can't just abandon their citizens and close the doors with two days notice. It takes planning and significant logistics to ensure that everyone that wants to be safe, is kept safe, both home and abroad. Its nice that you think that you can just make planes and flight crews materialize overnight to move millions of people around, but sadly its not possible. Air Canada/Westjet is not going to fly an empty plane to another continent to pick people up. They need the outbound planes full too.
Watch “pandemic” on Netflix, they straight up call exactly what is happening now, right down to the the geographical point of origin.