Carbon Tax

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  1. boing

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    Hopefully your new carbon tax will fix this..
     
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    No one thing will do anything...but I am all for the carbon tax, and all our other taxes (except re-taxing products that already had taxes collected...that's BS). Taxes are important.
     
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    Carbon tax is through and through horseshit
     
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    I haven't taken a good look the plan but tying money to pollution seems like a reasonable way to encourage less pollution :o
     
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    Ontario Pulled out of it im good with it
     
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    All I am going to say is.
    People in a carbon neutral country should not be paying a carbon tax.
     
  7. Boots

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    What are they replacing it with?
     
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    i dont think anything could be wrong
     
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    Taxes should not be used as a punishment. That's not their purpose.
     
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    I don't hear any other ideas. Sitting on our asses doing nothing doesn't seem like a great idea.
     
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    But that's all that adding taxes is. It's still sitting on our ass. Taxes are a way to raise money for the government .That was it's entire purpose, and I have a real problem with trying to raise money by Masking it as a something else. You don't get the feeling that this was done to prevent pollution but rather someone was looking for a way to get more money from us and decided that we could do it in the name of the environment.
     
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    Experts agree that putting a monetary value on pollution will reduce pollution. Until someone comes out with another way to do it, we gotta do something. Our world is going to hell rapidly.
     
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    The tax should be imposed on industries. There’s 2 people in my house and we have minimal trash. However I work at a massive company and we throw out a multiple dumpster loads of shit a week without recycling and run a fleet of v10 trucks for 10 hours a day. What’s the point of me paying when they don’t have to?
     
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    So businesses don't have to pay anything for their pollution? Is there a good neutral site the explains the plan fully? I'd like to read up on it
     
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    Boots, the problem is, any added cost that a company incurs will be passed to the customer. For example, NSP will not swallow any sort of penalty they incur. They will file for an increase based on and increase in operating costs and then you and I will have to pay. It's not going to make them find something better than coal or make then spend more money on efficiency. The only result of this is a higher cost of living .
     
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    Can definitely see that as a problem. One upside is that if fuels cost consumers more, maybe we'll evaluate our usage better and reduce our consumption thus lowering pollution?

    While reading up on it, I read that since NS came up with it's own plan we won't be forced to use the federal plan and we won't see as big an impact as consumers. Dunno how much truth is to that.
     
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    Are you going to sell your s2000 and go for bike rides instead? Probably not. And if you think NS of all provinces is going to come up with a plan that protects it's consumers more than other provinces you're on a special kind of crack. I love this province and I love living here but the one thing this province does better than any other, is fuck the end user. The provincial government (all parties ) never fails to figure out a way to profit off the backs of Joe public at every turn.
     
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    Like my car too much but I may make some improvements to my home to reduce oil consumption or make more of an effort to conserve hot water.
     
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    Yup.

    The price of fuel goes up, we pass that cost along via contracted price increases.

    We have facilities in ON, when the min wage went up to $14 an hour or whatever, that was passed along to the customer, who had no problem paying it since they also had to raise their prices.
     
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    its a loose loose for consumer for sure
     
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    Absolutely. A high minimum wage is not a good thing.
     
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    This was for Boots...
    And what happens when you make all those changes and the government is still saying you need to do more and pay more carbon taxes.
    BC has had a carbon tax for over 10 years now and it was brought in under the guise that it was revenue neutral well it didn't take long to prove that wrong but we are still paying and they are still increasing it and telling us that we need to do more.
     
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    So...you are going to adjust your use of necessities but not make a change to your luxuries. That's exactly what should not occur in a program designed to prevent pollution. Now consider those that can't afford the luxuries and who are already at the lower limit of spending on the necessities and you'll see exactly why this "tax" does fuck all to help our world and only fills the pockets of the politicians and their buddies.
     
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    I'm far from pro carbon tax. I just think without any better suggestion, we have to do something.
     
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    I think we should be far more concerned about the US rolling back some EPA regs and the pollution from industrial powerhouses like China along with emerging markets like India.
     
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    until India, and China and places like that get under control anything we do will have little to no impact
     
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    That's why we have to lead by example. Sitting back doing nothing and saying 'well they aren't doing anything, why should we?' isn't really helping
     
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    Its the people on strict budgets who will feel it the most, when one day they wake up and gas is 8-10 cents more, heating your home is more grocery's are more etc... all for what...
     
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    So let's just impose a new tax that won't help but lets us tell people we are doing something? The idea is to reduce pollution, not just to pretend to.
     
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    My natural gas bill is more tax than natural gas, that ain't right.
    Just went out and got the mail and the gas bill was there
    $4.49 for gas
    $5.04 for carbon tax
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    That's the frustrating part, you know that we the consumers are going to be the ones footing the bill while the companies continue to grow insane profits. I agree that the emission levels should be decreased etc, but why should we be on the hook for these companies to figure out how to operate cleaner while raking in millions / billions in profit each year?
     
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