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The More You Know: Canada’s race problem? It’s even worse than America’s.

Discussion in 'Reality Check' started by Strathmore, Jan 27, 2015.

  1. Strathmore

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    Canada’s race problem? It’s even worse than America’s.
    http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/out-of-sight-out-of-mind-2/

    Glavin: Canadians have no reason to be smug about race
    http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/glavin-canadians-have-no-reason-to-be-smug-about-race


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    Sort of shocking numbers. But politically, I've thought for a long time that Peace in the Middle East would be easy to bridge than the divide between Canadian Indians and our government. The philosophies of life and society have no parallels and little common ground. Doesn't matter who is in power, Libs, Cons, Greens or NDP. No one is going to solve this.
     
  2. C. Mike Hunt

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    StrathmoreStrathmore You're starting to sound like a bigoted old man. Seems all your posts are race related.
     
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  4. Strathmore

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    Ratings C. Mike Hunt, requires a good rake and lots of muck. The key is too stir with flourish.

    Macleans and the Ottawa Citizen certainly did bring the hyperbole in their titles. That's why I used the fan icon.

    Wasn't about this place.

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    Get off my lawn, Boots!

    I'm going to say this loud... THEY ARE NOT MY TITLES!

    NOT MY OPINIONS EITHER!
     
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  5. Scott

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    also tl:dr :lol:
     
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  6. Strathmore

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    Just thought it was an interesting subject that is hitting Canadian media, pretty big in the last week.
     
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    Considering that so many aboriginal canadians live in geographically remote areas I'm amazed the unemployment rate isn't higher.
     
  8. Strathmore

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    From what little I know from a childhood friend who lives on a reserve near North Bay, apparently there is a whole trickle down economic system, things like meat, fish, wood, basic repair services. Basic services from the band are distributed (inefficiently) to spread the money around a lot of hands a bit. A bit political, a bit socialist. Apparently hard to track in records or stats.
     
  9. 24dsx-ual

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    This alone makes the comparison absolutely ridiculous.
     
  10. ouird

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    Question about the income comparison.
    Is that the actual number or do they factor in the fact that Aboriginal's dont pay taxes and adjust for that?

    its still low, but they should be comparing apples to apples.
     
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    Their income disparity is done at the hands of their own leaders, so you can hardly blame their issues on racism. If there is one group of people with a leg up...
     
  12. Strathmore

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    That is a good question. I'm betting it would take a half dozen GOOD economists to figure out all of the weird things that would skew the comparisons. Increased cost of fuels to remote areas, not others. Taxes, Lower Band council rent vs market based off reserve living. The average cost of recreational habits like cigs and alcohol being sooo much lower. Then factor the cost for Northern Inuit for storing food during accessible months and having it sent by container ships.

    There is no metric that could average that out easily.

    Some bands in British Columbia are flush with cash from logging and mining. Some are rich in Alberta & Saskatchewan from potash & oil.

    One of the things I first thought of, isn't the writer insulting the Indians who say they are 500 different nations? How can you do this without splitting them up individually. I'd like to know which make more than the average Canadian. Some bands actually do.
     
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  13. ouird

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    Id say theres a lot more opinion in that article than actual fact.
     
  14. Strathmore

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    Not all, some have pretty good investment portfolios. Some employ a lot of people, honestly. Most of the successes are out West I think.
     
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    There is a pretty big unemployment problem here too.
     
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    There's a mix here in NS. A couple of very successful, forward thinking bands, but still quite a few who have chiefs stealing all of their money and lying about it. Interesting to see which bands refuse to open their books for the federal audit.
     
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    Membertou has its share of problems, but is far ahead of the rest. If other bands only followed their model.
     
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    Two totally different demographics here. You take 1st Nations, give them a plot of land nowhere near industry and feed them handouts and expect to have a good unemployment rate?

    Looks like MacLeans is attempting to stir the pot. Something I would expect from the Sun but not them.
     
  20. Stang

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    Because 8 Billion dollars a year is not enough.
     
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    My Master's thesis was on the wage gap between Native Canadians and "Non-Natives". Very under written literature.

    Anyway, what I found is that only a very small portion of the wage differential cannot be attributed to factors such as: education, location, age, experience, etc.

    Now, the question is who is responsible for those factors?

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    The paper is either in the Dal library or the Dal Economics department library for those that want to read it.

    *crickets*
     
  22. Leviathan

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    African Americans seem to be twice as likely to kill me, that's all I worry about. :kekeke:
     
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    Things get really interesting and eye-opening when you look at the wide difference between native and non-native per-capita funding for things like education, healthcare, social services, etc. Stang, despite trying his hardest, is right. 8 billion a year isn't enough.
     
  24. Stang

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    Here's a crazy thought they could GET AN F'IN JOB !! And stop waiting for the Government to do everything for you down to wiping your ass.

    :)
     
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    The only way to resolve the issues facing aboriginal in Canada is to throw out their Self-Governance model
     
  26. Strathmore

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    The Supreme Court will never allow that, they overide anything that goes against their viewpoint. They are half the problem on this issue. They created the conditions that prevented Trudeau, Mulroney, Chretien, Martin and Harper from doing anything of substance. Judicial activism is more a problem on this issue than any other in Canada.
     
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    Probably is... however, 7 Billion will go to the band leaders and is never seen by the members.
     
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    I know a guy who's father is a band leader. They have a beautiful property, nice cars and no financial worries.... while the houses down the street look like shit and are falling down
     
  29. Stang

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    Clearly the fault of "white devil".

    Maybe natives should be taking a hard look at their leaders instead of Ottawa.
     
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    I think they are starting to. Not a Harper fan, but he has done a pretty good job of bringing the mismanagement of funds to light.
     

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