Discussion in 'Reality Check' started by 91bluecivic, Mar 23, 2004.
whats your guy's suggestions on a CAI for my car...aem worth it?
Short ram > CAI.
yea...because i'm doing a all motor set up and want the most i can get out of my motor (of course) what short ram should i get....i'm really stuck, too many "brand names" i want something that makes power..and dont just want to pay for a name...any suggestions would be great
Well, I'll give you my honest opinion.
I normally am not one for no name brand parts or cheap parts but when it comes to intakes, intakes are intakes. You're more then welcome to go out and spend $300+ for a short ram Injen, AEM, DC Sports etc.. however, an $80 vibrant short ram kit will yield the exact same gains and results. High end name brand intakes are a joke, think of what they actually consist of. (1 mandrel bent aluminum pipe + filter)
I have a DC Sports DAC intake on my car, and my friend with the exact same car has a Vibrant intake and I guarantee that you couldn't tell the difference between the two. I have also physically seen a vibrant intake generate more HP on the dyno compared to an AEM and it was what, at least 1/3 the cost. Sounds like a simple choice to me.
yea man i dont wanna throw money away, i've already spent a ton with the internals for the motor....yea i may just pick up a vibrant one or something.....have to do some price shopping i guess..
Cai is better. I know of the story of about how one day switching from a cai to a short ram had picked up some hp but that theory didn't prove correct with me.
Try the iceman cai. Aem is nice, but metal, but the by-pass valve is a pos, and has been known to cause problems by coming apart and being sucked into the engine.
The iceman is plastic, and seems to work for me. Its has a the ability with ease to switch from cai to short ram.
Iceman is usually cheaper then Aem as well.
Personally, I have had both on the SiR and switched many times
IMO Short Ram > CAI
My car works a billion times better with the Short Ram.
Yeah i hear ya. For me the dyno proved that theory wrong for me.
If you really want the best get a comptech ice box, but i believe it isn't available for your car(91civic).
Besides i track my car a lot and therefore any chance i can get colder air into the engine i will take it. The short ram at the track would get heat soaked after numerous laps.
thanks for the info guys, how much is a iceman intake?
Short ram is better if you run a supercharger or if you have minimal mods (I/H/E) otherwise a CAI is going to do a WAY better job for you.
If you go with a short-ram, get yourself the Comptech IceBox setup and just use it with your factory intake tube and a different filter.
Dyno proven many times here .. short ram is better on honda engines. Keeps the Air Velocity up which is what they thrive on.
i have more then just i/h/e, so trying to get as much whp out of the motor as i can..
It's wierd though...on K-Series motors, CAI's give higher numbers than SRI's. But on B-Series motors, the SRI's seem better.
are you looking at dyno sheets from AEM? or are you the one dyno'ing the car..
AEM claims that their CAI > SRI and V2 > CAI and it's all bullshit.
i'm talking my car, and other cars... SRI dyno proven better.
Don't believe any of AEM's photoshop generated dyno graphs
AEM's photoshopped graphs have you brainwashed!
Which is why I said if you have minimal mods or a supercharger. Other applications prefer different setups.
nope your still wrong.. if you have NO mods... having to draw that air all the way through a CAI it becomes stagnant, therefore less efficient..
I'm going to attatch a $500 AEM V2 to my snail, maybe i'll gain an additional 40 whp.
ok, heres my set up...spoon cams, ctr pistons, b18c5 vavle springs, AEBS intake manifold (going on soon), and dc sports header (going on soon), str cam gears
whats best for my set up, CAI, or short ram
Nice.. and I shouldn't have to answer that.. but SRI if you don't believe me by both and dyno test them..
yea i'm gonna go with a short ram...dont really wanna buy both lol...
Like I said in the beginning, cheapy short ram without a doubt.
sweet, made up my mind, thanks guys..cheapy sri
We're saying the same thing, but you're being a retard and trying to argue with me for the hell of it.
minimal mods = sr intake only.
Everybody knows AEM's graphs are wicked retarded. Everyone on clubrsx seems to get higher numbers from CAI's than SRI's. That's all I'm sayin!
18whp from an intake is t3h crazy!
AEM claims 18whp increase with the install of a V2 on an RSX-S? Their claims are almost as clownish as Mazda was with the RX-8.
yup. I dunno what kind of crack they were smoking when they made that claim!! it makes more like 10whp.
I'd be surprised if it made 10whp
most people's dyno results show an increase of 8-10whp.
Well add me to the list that proves that to be incorrect. Besides the point that the true effect of a cold air intake can't be effectively measured on a dyno. I dyno'd my car, along with bmw, and found that the cold air intake producded more power, then short ram. I would expect even bigger of a difference in a real world environment.
BUt hey what the hell do i know.
Yeah, and it's not like the dyno effectively simulates the differences in airflow lol open hood with fan blowing on it = totally different than real-world conditions.
Yeh I've seen them run a fan on the cai during a dyno to try and get the most realistic numbers simulating actual wind and the cai always seemed to make more power. I'd rather a cai myself but I got a short ram because their is shitty things that come with a cai like the possibility of the filter getting water on it which doubtfully would do much since the waters not going to go against gravity and be forced into the throttle body anyway. But its more annoying to get at to change the filter and filters have been known to fall off and not be noticed for a while which = filthy unfiltered air and dirt getting sucked in. Long story short
cai = colder air,more power, less sound, a bit more difficult to get at the filter
short ram intake = warmer air, very loud, less power but not by much in most cases, easy to get at for filter changes and cleanings
Thats what I think from all the info I've gathered over the years. Also brand name never really seems to matter like someone stated before.
ass dynos don't count.
I have the cheapest of el cheapo intakes, it works ok, I have nothing to compare it to as it was on the car when I got it. The car with I/H/E made 123.6hp on the Dyno.
Whats this heat soak problem Stu, I have never experienced this to my knowledge, I have no idea what it is.