Discussion in 'Reality Check' started by C. Mike Hunt, Apr 19, 2020.
I have no issue with it at all. I think it’s a good move.
Next conservative government will most likely undo this. Even if their end goal is a complete ban, it's nonsense. We don't have a mass shooting problem in Canada imo.
I don't care in the least about being able to own the guns they banned but I do have a problem with ineffective, wasteful laws. This is as sane as a pitbull ban imo.
I think only time will tell how effective the law will be. I agree we don't have a gun issue here, but I still see no reason for folks to own those banned guns. The whole argument over freedom and protection from government is horseshit imo.
The banned guns just look different than guns that are perfectly legal and it's gonna burn up a billion dollars or so of your tax money to enforce this change.
It makes as much sense as saying 'Scott, you can't own Rosie because she's a pitbull .. you can go buy yourself a german shepherd and train it to eat babies if you want, but you can't own a pitbull. Pitbulls are scary because they have square heads'
They won’t. Peter McKay said he “would never used a tragedy to push legislation” when he easily could have said he would repeal if elected. It’s a done deal.
It'd be suicide for him to say he'd repeal it now after there was a mass shooting in his home province. He's no dummy, he'd wait until they got in. This change doesn't even require a law to be passed. A committee can be formed to decide what guns are legal or not.
It sucks because I can't even really debate this without it seeming like I'm being insensitive to what happened here recently at the same time I'm kind of pissed that the government would use this as a means to support their agenda.
Im gonna tell her you said she had a square head
I have zero issue with them banning certain guns if by banning that particular model saves a life, but I don't see how this does it, and unfortunately if that message gets pushed to hard there's a much greater chance of them deciding to ban more vs less.
Ah. Arguing about gun control. So much fun.
I'm in a couple of "Canadians living in the US" type Facebook groups and this is currently a hot topic. My favorite comments are the ones like (directed at the picture of Trudeau in the news article, "Get a shave Y look like a terrorist". Yay, let's add racism into the discussion, that'll be productive!
My one hope is that the more countries around the world and especially those bordering the US enact stricter gun control, they'll finally bow to the pressure and enact some of their own. It is currently a mess here.
This Facebook conversation is just getting better. Someone called the "looks like a terrorist" poster out for being racist. Someone else took her profile picture, posted it, and said, "this looks much more like a terrorist." Her reply now: "Don’t be such a prude
Take a look at all the terrorists in the Middle East
Trudeau is a socialist"
I have mixed feelings on the ban. While I completely understand the need to ban certain weapons based on public perception/pressure I also really enjoy target shooting with the AR platform due to being very familiar with it. At the end of the day I can just go out and buy a high powered bolt action rifle and get the same enjoyment.
Does it really matter what a politician says (s)he will do before being elected? Then again Trudeau never his that this was on his agenda, so you can't fault him now for anything but his timing.
It’s such a springboard for a campaign promise, the fact he’s not using it is telling. Even to say he would revise the ban to include stronger checks and balances rather than an outright appeal, much harsher punishment for guns coming across the border, etc etc
this is just spitballing though
So now if the government is saying that the legality of these guns contributed to the various shootings, that make them partially liable for them?
This ban was already being formed before the NS shooting and covid-19...so there's that.
From January...this has been in the books a long time, covid-19 stalled it.
The new ban is not limited to black or "assault" rifles similar to the M16/AR15 platform.
It also includes the Ruger Mini14 and Ruger Mini 30. These are NOT assault style weapons. But a Ruger Mini14 was used in the Quebec/Montreal Polytechnic shootings in the 80's.
So if a bolt action firearm was used in a shooting ... Would that get banned too? .
Also how is a Ruger Mini14 banned... But not an SKS?
I don’t know anything about guns or gun laws. But it’s been said that the gunman did not have the proper certification to have the weapons he used, so that can only mean they were obtained illegally? So will this ban even do anything? I’m all for getting guns out of the hands of the public but it seems whoever wants them can get them anyway
I thought you were okay with whatever semi auto guns the government wanted to ban?
Now you are questioning it, I don't think you have a dog in this fight?
The same with 17, Scott and Moonbat you have no gun knowledge or canadian gun law awareness so why comment.
Does anyone have a problem with the way this was done?
What if Trudeau came out yesterday and said today we are banning gas powered cars,or golf clubs, or owning dogs or bicycles because that is exactly what he did yesterday to millions of gun owners who can no longer compete in their sport shooting, huntin and supporting local business. He has put thousands of people out of work.....I need to stop.
i will always take a moment to remember those lives lost to senseless bicycle violence every year.
OK wait. I don't support this change but why can you no longer compete in sport shooting, hunting or support local business? Everyone keeps on showing these infographics of a black gun that was banned next to a brown gun that wasn't saying they are exactly the same thing, so why not use the brown one?
competition shooting that use AR's: 3 Gun is the most popular, kind of hard to shoot in a competition when you need three guns and you only have two because you are not allowed to bring your AR to the range anymore.
These sports put a lot of money into the economy, if you are not in the shooting community you will not see it but gun owners spend a lot of money on their guns and equipment and if they are not shooting they are not spending.
Hunting: People that have one rife like a m305 that is now a prohib that they use for deer moose and or elk?
Maybe they don't the money to just go out and buy a new rifle.
I was looking for this to reply to Cheddar post but just stumbled across it.
THIS IS FROM THE ORDER IN COUNCIL DOCUMENT
It is likely that businesses selling newly prohibited firearms would experience a reduction in sales and as a result
may reduce staff or cease operations. Some businesses
may choose to switch to a new product line to replace
those firearms. A Conference Board of Canada study completed in September 2019 determined that sport shooting
and hunting contribute $5.9 billion to Canada’s GDP, as
well as $2.9 billion in labour income. The sport shooting
and hunting industries also support approximately
48 000 jobs.
Can't use any other gun than an AR?
All we've been hearing is how gun a and B are exactly the same but since A is black and scary looking and B is brown and traditional looking, they banned A but not B. So use B then if the only difference is the look. I get it. The ban is stupid, will do fuck all to prevent violence, and if someone wants to shoot up a school and can't find an AR, they are just going to find something else, but that's what you're going to have to do to also. I doubt many hunters are just going to toss their now banned gun into the garbage and sulk off into the woods, never to shoot again. You're sounding like the girl who got dumped at prom and now says she can never go back to schooled because she'll "like, literally die of embarrassment." The world isn't over, there's still thousands of guns that you can still use, and now's the time to lobby for political change. I know how ill be voting because of this, but at the end of the day, the majority of Canadians chose him and his platform, or were too horny over legalized weed to look at anything else.
I could race a mini van but the BMW is better for the job
That's my take on why some people prefer black over brown. Comfort, lightweight, easier to hold is what I take from it. I'm not a gun guy but I really don't like how the gov't went about this ban, and think they are aiming at the wrong target, pun intended. Go after illegal guns and smuggling
Though now that Trudeau let the cat out of the bag, no politician is going to touch it with a ten foot pole to put it back in.
I agree entirely but if sports cars were made illegal, I'm sure you'd see people racing taurus's and minivans. But at the same time, you'd also still have idiots on the highway doing stupid shit with those cars as well. It makes no sense and does nothing but its not the end of all shooting sports either, especially hunting.
By husband is a hunter, I am in the military and am fully trained on many of these banned weapons. It does not directly effect either of us, so I am indifferent to the law, with the exception of how Trudeau went about it.
However, I do not understand how this is still okay?
Indigenous hunters excluded from Ottawa’s assault weapons ban under Section 35
It's easy to explain it away but again, it's setting a pretty bad precedent as to what kind of legislation we are ok with. It's going to be awfully costly for a law that pretty much everyone is saying isn't going to do be effective. Didn't we already learn our lesson with the long gun registry?
Especially in a world where everyone is crying about equality lol. Let's single out groups to treat differently.
I once tried to race my mothers mini van when I was in high school. It did not go well. Needed a solid downhill stretch to gain any speed!
“There will be an exception for Indigenous people’s exercising a section 35 hunting right, as well as those who use the weapon for hunting to feed themselves or their family,” said Justice Minister David Lametti.
“They may continue using firearms that were previously non-restricted for these purposes until a suitable replacement can be acquired.”
Someone's gone out of the way to make the Mohawk Warriors happy.
Did you actually read any of my other posts???