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You will also notice that although they are advertising their services...VERY very few of those listen on sites such as kijiji have registered businesses and of course...odds are a lack of proper insurance.
I was just looking at some photographers works on KIJIJI and man there are some real bad photographers out there. I understand i have a lot to learn and for me it's just a hobby but damn. It's true what everyone has been saying about anyone who owns a camera thinking they are a photographer. Even better are the ones claiming to be the cheapest in town, well no wonder. Those of you doing this for a living do you find that these "photographers" help or hurt your business. I would think that anyone knowing anything would expect to pay good money for a good photographer.
You will also notice that although they are advertising their services...VERY very few of those listen on sites such as kijiji have registered businesses and of course...odds are a lack of proper insurance.
Does it smoke under load or no?
EDIT: No that isn't a jizz joke.
-PatB18c
i know of a few ppl who hired someone off there and i know they love thre pics but my gawd there awful on soo many levels... im not a professional either but wow
What's that expression again? Oh yeah.. You get what you pay for... The very VERY few things I've done were done for free.. lol
Even doing photography myself as a hobby, I wouldn't hesitate to pay someone good money for good product. I highly doubt many people shop for photographers on Kijiji anyways. Unless they want something really cheap/under the table. Which again.. they will get what they pay for. Someone will show up with their nice new Coolpix camera and capture your important memories on it. Well at least you saved money..
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You don't have to be registered provincially/federally if the annual revenue is below a certain threshold ($30,000 for GST/HST), although having a BN makes good business sense.Originally Posted by Arod
our situation is a little different here on the island. back in NS it was fine if you were under 30k, but we need to remit pst on every stitch of income here.
Last edited by nb132; 01-29-2010 at 05:06 PM.
"I'm too much of a mix of stubborn and stupid" Cooper- July14th, 2010
no point, just asking.
So if your business is tanya shields you dont have to register it but if you make it tanya shields photography you do?
Last edited by chef21; 01-29-2010 at 03:21 PM.
Ive heard that and was wondering if it was true..
and as for your other post oh i agree if people are happy GREAT.. and your right there's plenty of room in the market for many photographers.. i am blown away by how many people are charging like $80-$100 for a session and come with a point and shoot camerabut your right there's many different markets and as long as everyone can afford some type of photographer to cherish there life's important moments then that is the main thing
ohh i didnt know that so you cant add on photography etc and not be registered?
really? i know its the quality maybe if it was a HIGH end p&s im talking like kodak etc
IS THIS A REAL AD?!?!?!?!?
Hi there! My name is Samantha and I've just got a brand new camera for Christmas but haven't even taken it out of the box. I really want to get into the wedding photography business because I see so many people in Nova Scotia are getting married and it looks like easy money. I can't guarantee that even one photo will turn out looking good but I sure will try. Some pictures will be used for my portfolio and my future website. I start booking appointments this week! I am now booking for Spring and Summer of 2010.
I specialize in all types of Lifestyle photography including:
Weddings – You'll have to pay $15 for gas money outside of Halifax
Bridals
Engagements
Families
Children
Portraiture
Fashion
My style is classy, elegant and artistic. I would be honored to be part of your special occasion or photography needs considering I have no professional experience. I would love to capture those beautiful moments for you and your family.
I have so much passion for being a pro wedding photographer! All my friends and family tell me I take great pictures at all our outings and picnics. I'm putting together a web site of all the flower pictures and sunsets I've taken so you can see how good I am. I even have a few pics of my pet dog which turned out really great!
But I don't have a business license, liability insurance, flashes, extra batteries, or even more than a kit lens that came in the box. If something goes wrong, you're out of luck. To keep things cheap for you, I won't even back up any of your images. Less cost for me means less cost for you. Just passing the savings on. I expect to be paid in cash or personal check because I don't plan on claiming this income on my taxes.
I know many fun and beautiful locations. I really care about making brides look beautiful! I add glow and selective color to all of my images, giving them the best look possible. No need to hassle with computer programs.
Bridals and Engagements are only $100. Please trust me to do your wedding. I'll do it cheap just to build up my portfolio. I will only charge you $250 for your entire wedding day. This is a deal. My camera cost me $700 brand new. All sessions include a Hi Resolution CD with FULL copy right release included, which means you get to print your pictures at Wal-Mart! Here's the BEST Part! I offer 100% guarantee on ALL my sessions! Don't pay a cent until you are 100% happy with your pictures!
I own a camera therefore I can take photos like the pros, who charge alot more. Most brides in Utah spend $2,500 on professional wedding photography. Since I have no experience I'll only be charging $250 (90% off regular wedding photography prices) to shoot full day wedding coverage.
Think about it: Pros charge alot of money because they have alot of expenses. I don't.
Pros have:
-a business license
- multiple cameras
-thousands of dollars in lenses and flashes
-hard drives to back up the images
-insurance
-experience
-people skills
-color calibrated monitors
-professional print labs
-professional albums
-real advertising/ not kijiji
I have none of this stuff so we'll keep it cheap, just for you!
E-mail me if you want to set an appointment or if you have any questions, I will gladly respond.
I am commenting more on those who operated their "business" under a certain "business" name and are not registered with the province...on the Island if you make $1 in revenue you need to remit the PST on that sale.
Does it smoke under load or no?
EDIT: No that isn't a jizz joke.
-PatB18c
it is the same here on the Island as well...but when scanning Kijiji and used pei you can see that there are many who operate under "images by XXXX", "XXXX Photography", "Photos by XXXX"...etc.
Does it smoke under load or no?
EDIT: No that isn't a jizz joke.
-PatB18c
Exactly. To be honest, I did too before I knew I wasn't supposed to!
I think we all did. But some advertise "shooting weddings for XX years" and have yet to register at all lol.
Does it smoke under load or no?
EDIT: No that isn't a jizz joke.
-PatB18c
Agree.
If you have a new camera.. and haven't taken it out of the box.. how can you "specialize" in anything.. ?
It is a FAKE ad.
It had 1.3 megapixels......not thirteen...... one point three.
wow
correct. anything other than just your name needs to be registered. it's cheap and a relatively painless process.
"I'm too much of a mix of stubborn and stupid" Cooper- July14th, 2010
God some of you Togs make me laugh.
This is a golden opportunity and everyone is too caught up with laughing at someone who apparently shouldn't be calling themselves a photographer.
Its besides the point, but if you have access to a camera and enjoy taking pictures you are a photographer. You might not be a profession photographer, but you are still a photographer. No different than if you own a pair of skis. You don't have to be going to the olympics to be considerer a skier.
If you want to make money you have to stop worrying about everyone else pretending to be as good as you, and take it as an awesome opportunity to showcase why you are better.
Here's an example.
There was a company a few years ago that was creating fake fertilizer under the name of an already existing company. We'll call it brand X. Even worse was it didn't work. So the customer was buying what he thought was a great product, and was sorely mistaken.
Then a few years later they stopped making fake stuff, brought out their own line with the sales pitch "Are you using brand X with no luck? Try our new product"
It was unethical and illegal but it worked. (they were busted)
Anyway the bottom line is you have to use the other people's weaknesses to your advantage. Be the knight in shining armor to save them from crappy wedding pictures. Market yourself AND your value. The customer wants to know why you are twice the price. Its because this is what 1/2 the price gets you.
If you sell on price, you lose on price. Its not the customers job to find you and figure out why you are more expensive. Its your job to find them and show them.
Seacrest...Out!
Last edited by Cheddar; 01-29-2010 at 05:00 PM.
I don't think many of us are laughing at them, or talking shit etc. I see some biz talk for the most part, but to be honest I thought this thread would get ridiculous. Aside from a few cheap shots it has been relatively tame and somewhat informative for some of the noobs.
"I'm too much of a mix of stubborn and stupid" Cooper- July14th, 2010
I actually find it quite informative. I don't really understand though why you can print up a business card with joe blow photography on it pass it around to promote what is essentially a business practice and not have to register, but when you start making any money using joe blow photoraphy you have to register.
the reason for starting this thread was simply wondering if you guys feel it in any way takes away from the business or in some sort of way cheapens what you do as a professional. Like from the tog thread it was mentioned that the word photographer is in ways to easily a term passed around. I hate as a chef who went to school, earned my papers, put in years of experience, gets served at sobey's by a cashier in a green chef jacket. You guys put a lot into what you do and I have put a lot into what i do, it just seems people try to infringe on what others have earned.
Last edited by chef21; 01-29-2010 at 05:32 PM.
meh. doesn't bother me really...they aren't taking food off of my table, nor is the employee at sobeys taking any off of yours.
If anything it will only help in the long run.
"I'm too much of a mix of stubborn and stupid" Cooper- July14th, 2010
There are a lot of good points already made here, so I'll try to be brief...
Tanya is right. The $250 (or cheaper) wedding photographer on Kijiji is no real competition because they won't be around for long and usually only a few people will get burned with a lousy outcome before that happens. Hopefully. The biggest problem with the $250 Kijiji photographer is that there are so many of them. They are like ants and when one gets bored and drops away, 5 more take over. It does take away from the market for the rest of us, but it's still a very small portion. Some may actually believe they are trading up from Uncle Bob who was free and the $250 may be a huge step up.
Cheddar also has a few good points too. As part of my sales process, I deal with the issue and show the client why I'm worth what I charge. I'm not the most expensive and I'm far from the cheapest. Unfortunately, many of the great photographers I've had the pleasure of knowing are just not sales people. It's just not something that is taught in photography school and it's certainly not something you can teach yourself without a lot of help.
If you have a solid understanding of the sales process and are prepared to deal with the client's "objection" you will win the ones you want and let the ones you don't want go somewhere else.
I've been a sales rep for very nearly 30 years now and still learn every day. I can't tell you how many classes I've taken over the years or how many "certificates" on professional selling I have received over those 30 years. I've simply lost count. However, I've often said the day I don't learn something new will be the day I die.
There's a market for the $250 photog. It's not my market, but I can occasionally dip into it and up-sell some of that market into mine. Once in a while. With a strategy and possibly with help from their family, once they know what they might be losing.
You don't often hear then cheapest photographer in town complaining that a more expensive photographer took his business but it can and does happen. Price should be among the last things to deal with during the sales process.
So much for staying brief...
Mike McCarthy
McCarthy Photographic.com
maybe it's just a foolish pride thing more than anything.
Are you in the right thread?Where did this happen?
Maybe what is? Sorry, just not sure what you're referring to? Being worried about the kijiji shooters?
You can't. Check the link and excerpt posted earlier.
Last edited by SheOfManyChildren; 01-29-2010 at 06:08 PM.
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